Direct production\ collective order cancellation

i have a problem while dealing with collective order network schenario.
i have 2 levels of collective order network e.g. A is parent order and B is child order.
now as soon as i confirm the sub\child B order the header material for taht perticular order has 101 and 261 movement automatically,
i.e. as soon as 101 is done for child order's(B) header material which is a non stockable material is also gets consumed(261) for header order\ parent order A.
but while confirming the header order A, the header material of order B(which is non stockable material) is not there in goods movement screen.
now while cancelling the orders A i don't have order B's header material in component list so that perticular material will not be cancelled so no 262 for that material.
now when i try to cancel order B i get an error for order B's header material that deficit of sales order stock.
how to deal with such problem?
and i also want to know something about collective orders and special procurement key 52 with respect to order confirmation and cancellation..
Edited by: Anil Jonnalagadda on May 23, 2008 3:38 PM

Now the Reply for the Application of Collective Order
Normally we have a Header Item Fert and Child items Halbs
For Example If a BOM for a Fert contains 5 Halb materials and below some ROH
Here what happens in discrete scenario 6 production orders can be created 1 for Fert and 5 for Halb
so as a usual practive we have Release the Halb orders, GI for ROH , Confirmation of Halbs,GR for Halbs,.... then
similar thing for Fert
Now as the Halb is inhouse item and manufacturing parellely, the process of Relasing ,confirming ,GR are difficult process, you want to control through the Header Material
So we want
1) If i release the Fert Material the Bom Assy components (inhouse) below with collective order setting has to Relases Automatically
2) If i confirm the Fert Material the the Bom Assy components (inhouse) below with collective order setting has to Confired Automatically
3) The GR has to takes place automatically for Halb items(without any document) you can't see the stock of halb also it will always show "0"
4) For the ROH below Halb a reservation will be generated those you can control manually or through Backflush
So the setting required is
Fert item keep Procurement =E
For the bom halb items where you want collective order keep Procurement =E and special Procurement =52
it will work
thanks
Prabakaran K
Edited by: prabakaran k on May 23, 2008 4:00 PM

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