Direct production in collective order network, automatic 261...

hi all,
i have a problem in a schenario with collective order network.
i have order B part of collective order network of order A. and material of order B has special procurement key 52 maintained in it. and colletive order of goods movement is selected in order type setting of order B.
now the problem is when i confirm the order B, its header material automatically gets issued to order A (as per the settings that is fine.. ).
but when i canel \ reverse the order A, i can not see 262 for material of order B which was issued automatically....??? why so?
and if i try to revrse order B, it stucs in COGI with the error of deficit of sales order quantity (or unrestricted quantity)....
can somebody tell me how to sollve this? how to get 262 of the header material of order B?
best regards,
Maulin
Edited by: Maulin Munshi on Jun 17, 2009 8:27 AM

If you're doing the confirmation of parent order (leading order) at header level (meaning you use CO15) then you can only confirm that particular order and not any child order. If you want the child orders to be confirmed also after completely confirming you'd have to change the control key of last operation of routing in leading material as milestone and use CO11 or CO11N and just confirm the last operation, it will automatically confirm all the operations in the leading order and all the sub orders (child orders). I don't think your OPKI setting will solve the issue.
Production orders that belong to collective orders are generally confirmed like normal production orders. However, you should note the following:
    When you carry out a confirmation at header or suboperation level, you can only confirm the order concerned.
    When you confirm at operation level, you can confirm operations for all orders as long as you work with milestone operations or progress confirmations.
    When there is a confirmation in the collective order, the system sets the status CFCO (release occurred in network) at the header level of the leading order in the collective order.
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Now the Reply for the Application of Collective Order
Normally we have a Header Item Fert and Child items Halbs
For Example If a BOM for a Fert contains 5 Halb materials and below some ROH
Here what happens in discrete scenario 6 production orders can be created 1 for Fert and 5 for Halb
so as a usual practive we have Release the Halb orders, GI for ROH , Confirmation of Halbs,GR for Halbs,.... then
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