DVCPro HD Varrie speed

HI,
I'm just about to start a project for a client. They have shot on DVCPro HD on a Panasonic HDC-27F. I'll capturing into FCP via a Panasonic AJHD 1400 deck on HDSDI. I'm thinking to use a process codec as the client want both an SD and an HD master and there will be no online, just doing it all on the one machine. Suggestions as to which codec would be great!
Also I a little concerned as to weather FCP is capable of dealing with the Varrie speed footage. In the past I've worked on Avid's where they are capable of doing the frame rate conversion and some where you need to get a frame rate convert in first.
How does FCP deal with it? Any advice would be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Capture and edit in the native DVCPRO HD codec. You can then deliver an HD and SD master...all you need is an HD capure card. Now, specifically, what format of HD and SD master? I have worked on 3 feature length docs and a 12 episode series shot with the Varicam and edited full resolution, then output to HDCAM and Digibeta.
And yes, FCP can handle the variable speeds. All you need to do is capture the footage at full speed, then the Frame Rate Converter can convert it...to either 29.97 or 23.98...for great looking slow motion. Mind you, you need to shoot 59.94 or 48....FCP does have issues capturing the odd speeds like 22 and 36. It can capture it as 59.94 with the 22 frame "look."
You can read my blog...starting in the archives at the beginning...to get workflow ideas. www.lfhd.net
Shane

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    USB Connection: Yes
    Optical Zoom Factor: 10x
    Digital Zoom: 10x - 700x
    Image Stabiliser: Yes
    LCD Screen Size: 2.7", 123k pixels
    Built-In Flash: No
    MPEG movie mode: MPEG-1 layer 2
    Photo mode: Yes
    Photo mode resolution: 640x480 (jpeg)
    Media card: SDHC Card or SD Card,
    Sound: Stereo
    Manual exposure: Yes
    Manual white balance: Yes
    Backlight compensation: Yes
    Built-in light: No
    Shutter speed: 1/25th 1/8000 sec (video), 1/25th -1/500 sec (stills)
    Minimum light (Lux): 2 Lux (Colour Night View)
    Accessory shoe: No
    Analogue input: No
    External microphone socket: No
    Dimensions (WxHxD) mm: 41.0 x 59.0 x 102.0 mm
    Weight: 165g (camera only)

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