Encoding .MOV to Blu-Ray returns VERY HEAVY files

Hello everyone, I'm having serious trouble encoding several files I have.
The thing is, I have several 25 minutes chapters of a show (of my own) in 720P and when I convert them from .MOV to h264 or mpeg2 Blu-Ray they go from 400MB to almost 4GB.
Why is this? I mean, I have to fit several chapters on 1 disk and with these sizes this is not possible.
Thanks!

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ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 (Apple)
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I'm out of ideas. I don't want to give up and say Premiere Pro CS3 is worthless to me until I can confirm that as a fact. I purchased CS5, and it's sitting on my shelf awaiting installation, but I thought switching versions in the middle of a feature film edit was bad, so I've been holding off. However, if CS3 is unable to produce a Blu-ray copy, I might have to try that next.

Hi,
I have cs3 but dont have a machine powerful enough to edit HD of any kind that is more than about maybe 20 min ...I have a PC.
It slows up a LOT if I have HD on my timeline and I add effects etc. That is why I haven't responded to your thread.
I have (approx ) a dual core 3ghz cpu and 4 gig ram, 2 hard drives with OS and programs on boot drive and projects on 2nd drive. I have no problems with SD video at all but HD is just NOT something I can do.
I suspect there may be some others using CS3 that also shun large HD projects simply due to the machines they have.
With the new 64bit OS and CS5, allowing PC users to actually "see" more than 4gig of ram, most HD users are now using new 64 bit OS and CS5....with a lot of ram and multiple cpu's and raid drive setups.
Although this doesnt help you out a lot re: your problem, at least it might explain a little bit why so few have responded yet...it's simply because I don't think that many cs3 ( 32 bit program ) users have done what you are trying to do.
Perhaps you could try exporting to encore for blue ray a very small segment of ONE timeline, and see if your hardware works OK with THAT... ?? Sorry I can't help more

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As thte title states, I have a movie comprised mostly of AVCHD clips. It is a pretty big movie, at close to 3 hours, and I am having trouble encoding it to Blu-Ray. I have tried several things - increasing the RAM allocation to 3 GB, turning off the screensavers and power savers, turning off antivirus scanning, booting into Windows 7 64-bit with nothing but PE7 installed and trying to encode from there, etc. and it freezes up every time. The last time it got to 93% and froze. I'm at a loss at what to do next except just maybe wait until a new version of PE comes out.
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You don't say how much free, defragmented hard drive space you have but, unless it's a hundred or so gigabytes, that too could be a challenge.
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Since no response I've been searching and found the following.
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using the Adobe Production Premium CS4 pack... hardware is not an issue, also all the latest updates are installed.. prem 4.2.1 (003), encoder 4.2.0.006
after export and authoring, we are having strange glowing flickers, and bad slo-motion effect playback
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