Exporting & Audio Levels

When I share (export) back to my Panasonic mini Dv deck my audio levels change. For example...I have imported music and set the audio level low as a person is being interviewed so the music is in the backround behind the interview. When i export, the music takes over the entire project and you can't hear the person being interviewed. The audio level actually increases and drowns out everything else. Has anyone else had this experience? Solutions! Thanks!
Tom

Hi Tom,
Yes, I have the exact same problem, but with a "share" that makes a QT movie on my hard drive. See
flailing, "audio levels won't export when doing a "share."", 10:25pm Nov 1, 2005 CDT

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Nick,
Maybe not very useful info here, but an advice...
Being a native user of æ, ø and å when it comes to talking and writing, I have learned long time ago that using such (æ. ø, å) in file names (or in anything purely computer related) is something that causes hick-ups now and then.
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