Extending dual band Extreme

When I extend the Airport Extreme network, using the Express, it asks me for the name of the network.
On the Extreme I have devided the network in 2.4ghz and 5ghz (with different name for the 5Ghz).
I can only choose one of them to extend.. is this 'normal' or can I extend both? (the 2.4ghz and the 5ghz).
Thanks!

The AirPort Express is a single band device. I can work with either a 2.4 GHz network or a 5 GHz network, but not both at the same time. So, you will have to choose which band you want to extend.
If you need to extend both the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands of the AirPort Extreme, you will need to use 2 AirPort Express devices, or another simultaneous dual band AirPort Extreme.

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