HR Hierarchy in COPA

Hello,
Just like we have Customer and Product Hierarchies and standard ways of incorporating them in Derivation Rules in COPA, do we have something similar for HR / Org Hierarchy.
Eg: From Sales Order, we do get the Empolyee No of Sales Representative, and can be pulled easily in COPA, can we get the entire hierarchy above him -> His/Her Manger's Emp No & the Org Unit ID to which he/she belongs -> Another level up and so on.
This can then help in viewing COPA report from the entire sales team at all levels from the low level Representative to the Sales VP and the teams to which they belong.
Thanks
Kishore

Hello Rajesh,Ajay
Creating characteristics hierarchy representing HR ORG sounds good, but the client is highly sales driven company, and their HR ORG data in this repsect keeps changing every month end. So it ceases from being one time activity.
As of now, we have planned a Z table which will be refreshed every night by a Z program with Sales Rep and all his upper hierarchy in that record from HR ORG tables. And during sales, COPA pulls all the upper hierarchy from this table using the sales rep characteristic. We were hence looking for something simpler.
Thanks
Kishore
Edited by: Kishore Marodia on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM

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==================================================================================
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Hearty Thanks for the solution. As suggested by you, I removed "move" steps and defined the Table Lookup" steps.
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