IDOC collection

Hello -
Scenario is IDOC to XML to HTTP.
IDOCs will be coming into XI and based on the vendors will be routed to various Suppliers.
I used BPM to configure the error handling.
If i get an IDOC and is successfully sent then i have no problem.
Lets say there is a problem in transmission of the IDOC then i need to keep sending the IDOC for a period of time. If within that period of time if i get a response then well and fine else throw an exception.
Now while the above scenario is running another IDOC is picked up by XI. now will this IDOC overwrite the previous IDOC?
Will the older messages be overwritten by the newer ones or internally XI handles through multithreading?
TIA
Jerry

Hi Lloyd,
Are u using BPMcollect pattern for Idocs?
If so, then it is working based on Correlation concept.. So foreach correlation id it will create one new instance.
There will be a chance of Message loss during this .
This blog may give some hints-
/people/sravya.talanki2/blog/2005/12/09/xiidoc-message-packages
Some of the SAP Notes- 898131, 852019
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Moorthy

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consider the case -> collect files-idoc scenario. Using BPM i need to have
a multimapping scenario. In the transformation step we will have a container element where mutiline is enabled so that the collected files are transformed into one abs interface. my dopubt arises here when i consider this scenario without bpm that is N:1 mapping (no collection). in this case why this multimapping works in bpm process and not incase of non-bpm scenarios? is it because in bpm the mapping happens in BPE?
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Prabhu

>>>>In an N:1 scenario without BPM, how could you send more than one message to your multi-mapping? You can't.
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Hi Bhanu,
Apart from the replies above, in case you're looking for an answer from ECC perspective, here are some inputs: (ECC is considered as sender here)
1. IDoc Collection:
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Hi,
I am configuring IDoc to Mail Scenario using BPM.
I gone through following link for develop the scenario. I am still unable to complete the scenario.
Collect Idoc
/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm
I have done following steps in my configuration. Please correct my steps if i am wrong.
Source is Outbound Invoice IDoc (SAP System).
Target is Inbound EDI 810 format send as a email(Mail System).
1. Create an Abstract Interface for Invoice IDoc(MI_IDoc_ABS)
2. Create a Message Interface for EDI 810 for Inbound(MI_EDI810_IN)
3. Create an Abstract Interface for EDI 810(MI_EDI810_ABS)
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a) IM_IDoc_ABS - Outbound Invoice IDoc + MI_IDoc_ABS
MM_IDoc_ABS
b) IM_EDI810_ABS - MI_IDoc_ABS + MI_EDI810_ABS
MM_EDI810_ABS
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a) collectIDoc - Abstract Interface - MI_IDoc_ABS
b) collectIDocList - Abstract Interface - MI_IDoc_ABS(Multiline)
c) targetFile - Abstract Interface - MI_EDI810_ABS
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9. Define a deadline block withing Block with duration = 5minutes
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Message = collectIDoc
Start Process = Checked
Use Correlation = Correlation
Activate Correlation = Correlation
Correlation
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I don't know, how to go further on these steps.
In addition, could you please validate my above steps.
I appreciate your help.
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Gowri

Hi Bhavesh,
Thanks for the directions and help. I appreciate your help. I understand the steps but i am unable to implement it.
I have few more questions on above answer.
a) Do i have to create Sender Agreement?
b) Do i have to import bmp process in Integration Process in Integration Directory?
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1. Create a Scenario EDI810_Scenario
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Sender Interface : INVOIC.INVOICE02 (IDoc)
Sender Namespace : IDoc namespace
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Receiver Service : EDI810_Service
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Receiver Service : EDI810_Service
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BPM Idoc collection without transformation step

Hello
I have a simple scenario of outbound invoice idocs. The tricky thing now is that I want to collect them within a BPM process.
The BPM is basically working as long as I have a transformation step before the sending wich transforms from a multiline idoc to a "non-multiline" file.
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David

Hello
I tried the ForEach block, but now the BPM is first collecting the idocs and sends them out individually in the send step.
I've never used the forEach before, so the chance is good I made something wrong.
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Hi Peter,
If we can check the TID of the IDOC then that make your job easy..is it not ?
Because all the IDOCs send in one tRFC call will have the same TID..
Now i am trying to see what is the best way to get that...i checked standard context objects given by SAP ..it doesnot have this TID :(...
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I have used the following blog which is collecting different types of IDOCs.
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Sowmya

Check whether the Outbound Status is successful or not in sxm_moni. Is there any message created from Integration Process to receiver File system.
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Want to collect Idocs.. all steps in Bpm are correct..some error in transformation or send.
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Have also defined the message interface as occurance one as sap demands for 'newfile' interface as in patterns.
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Hi Venkataramesh and Gaurav,
I tried with the append mode, its still overwriting the file.
checked in the bpm.. it gives me the workflow stepswhere the container shows 2 idocs but file adapter writes 1 file with the last idocs details.
any other place where i should make a change?
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Larry

Hi,
As Manohar said ,the problem is due to variables refresh. One of the variables is setting to success status after processing of the first idoc , i think the same status is transfered to next idoc's also.
follow below steps to identify the problem.
1.Change the partner profile settings to 'Collective method' , then idoc's will be created with 64 status.
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Tarun

Hello,
What about the param. "NUmber of Vendors per Process" ?
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I found a thread about this.

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Tiger Woods

Hi,
1. in transaction We20 (of your R3 system)
in outbound IDOC - did you specify collect IDOC option and not send immediately?
2. and did you set the package size in RSEOUT00
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Chinna

Hi ,
Check out these blogs:
IDOC Collection
/people/pooja.pandey/blog/2005/07/27/idocs-multiple-types-collection-in-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2009/05/21/xipi-collecting-idocs--possible-ways-with-pros-and-cons--5-ways
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/people/stefan.grube/blog/2006/09/18/collecting-idocs-without-using-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2007/12/02/xipi-sender-idoc-adapter-packaging
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/30ea2fdf-f047-2a10-d3a2-955a634bde6b
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>>>Your blog does provide some interesting points when collecting to generate a single file.
file is only of of 5 possibilities that mz blog mentiones
the point is that BPM is the worst approach out of those 5 and all other 4
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