Import Oracle Designer model dependencies between objects

Hello,
I am using the Oracle Designer model import to fill Data Modeler. There are some views which have dependencies on each other, resulting that views which depend on other views are incomplete.
Is there a way to rerun the import again in the same relational model, since the import utility now opens a new relational model again.
Is there a kind of logging where you can find these kind of errors?
Best regards,
Joop

Thanks Phillip, but I was actually referring to the version level of the Designer repository itself, not the database instance in which it resides. I seem to remember that you could not upgrade your Designer repository without also upgrading the Oracle Designer client as well; hence my question about compatibility between SQL Developer Data Modeler and various Repository versions.

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Import Oracle Designer Model

Hello,
I have a client who maintains their data model in an old Oracle Designer 6.0 model repository. I would like to help them migrate from this very old data model to SQL Developer Data Modeler, if possible. With what versions of Oracle Designer repository is SQL Developer Data Modeler compatible with for model import?
Thanks in advance.

Thanks Phillip, but I was actually referring to the version level of the Designer repository itself, not the database instance in which it resides. I seem to remember that you could not upgrade your Designer repository without also upgrading the Oracle Designer client as well; hence my question about compatibility between SQL Developer Data Modeler and various Repository versions.

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Hi,
Is the "Importing an Oracle Designer Model" functionality enabled ? I seem to be able to test the connection (successful) but the next screen "Selct WorkArea" doesn't seem to be working?
-Tom

Your right!!
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PowerDesigner doesn't respect dependencies between objects when generating script

Good afternoon,
I'm getting very frustrated trying to do something that should be 'by default' or easy to configure within PowerDesigner 16.5 working with a SQL Server 2008 R2 database.
I reverse-engineered a database into a physical model for modifications and I want to generate DDL from the physical model.   I've worked around some issues including how to support SQL Server filtered indexes and a few others things.
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Design question: Communication between objects

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When the user selects a node on the JTree, I want to
populate a particular ComboBox on the right based on
what the user selected in the tree. Or I may just
re-initialize the entire right component based on the
selected node on the JTree.
I guess I was wondering whether I should "marry" the
JTree and the JPanel class, and let them do their
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manager". The JFrame class will listen for events
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knowledge of each other. They are glued together
through my JFrame.
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Importing Oracle Designer Processes into BPEL Designer

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Scott

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As SQL Developer Data Modeling in in its first early adopter phase, we have provide a feedback application, where users can provide feedback, log bugs and ask questions. We did the same for SQL Developer before it's initial production release and found this to be very useful for the product.
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Hi,
I have my business process modeled using Oracle BPA product (EPC format). Now I need to import this model into Oracle BPM 11G which uses BPMN 2.0 format. Does any of the softwares provide a way to transform EPC models to BPMN 2.0 format.
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Dependencies between Objects

Hi Folks,
My client has asked me to move from one db to another. (I don't know why, may be they are restructuring). Now the problem is that there are many stored procedures, functions and tables which I have created and also using somewhere. Now for moving these objects
I have to do manual checks on each of my procedure to find out dependencies.
First I used SP_DEPENDS but that didn't show correct results. Then I did use
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I did some tests. If you do not have sys.dm_sql_referencing_entities, you probably run SQL Server 2005 or lower. Alas, SQL_Dependencies seems to have the same shortcommings as the old fashioned dbo.sysdepends view. When you create an object referencing an
object that doesn't exist yet, this reference is not captured. Changing the order of creation can help you out. However, circular references will never be captured. Also, dropping and re-creating an object destroys the information in this view. Proof:
The below creation order causes the link between TestProc and TestView to be missed.
CREATE PROC TestProc AS SELECT * FROM TestView
GO
CREATE TABLE TestTab (i int not null)
GO
CREATE VIEW TestView AS SELECT * FROM TestTab
GO
-- Transact-SQL Statement to list all objects and their dependencies (SQL Server 2005).
SELECT SCH.name + '.' + OBJ.name AS ObjectName
,OBJ.type_desc AS ObjectType
,REFSCH.name + '.' + REFOBJ.name AS ReferencedObjectName
,REFOBJ.type_desc AS ReferencedObjectType
,REFCOL.name AS ReferencedColumnName
,DEP.class_desc AS ReferenceClass
,DEP.is_selected AS IsSelected
,DEP.is_select_all AS IsSelectAll
,DEP.is_updated AS IsUpdated
FROM sys.sql_dependencies AS DEP
INNER JOIN
sys.objects AS OBJ
ON DEP.object_id = OBJ.object_id
INNER JOIN
sys.schemas AS SCH
ON OBJ.schema_id = SCH.schema_id
INNER JOIN sys.objects AS REFOBJ
ON DEP.referenced_major_id = REFOBJ.object_id
INNER JOIN sys.schemas AS REFSCH
ON REFOBJ.schema_id = REFSCH.schema_id
LEFT JOIN sys.columns AS REFCOL
ON DEP.class IN (0, 1)
AND DEP.referenced_minor_id = REFCOL.column_id
AND DEP.referenced_major_id = REFCOL.object_id
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,ReferencedObjectName
,REFCOL.column_id
GO
DROP TABLE TestTab
GO
DROP VIEW TestView
GO
DROP PROC TestProc
GO
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GO
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GO
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GO
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sys.objects AS OBJ
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AND DEP.referenced_major_id = REFCOL.object_id
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,ReferencedObjectName
,REFCOL.column_id
GO
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GO
DROP VIEW TestView
GO
DROP PROC TestProc
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Import from Designer crashes with IMAGE data type

Hello,
I'd like to report an issue with Data Modeler while importing from Oracle Designer. If you consider this a bug, please let me know if I need to do anything else to request a fix for it.
I've used the import > Oracle Designer Model tool to import an application model. The import runs fine for a while, then crashes with a message "There are errors in import - check log file".
The application to be imported has 509 domains, 963 entities to import.
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All statements: 1472
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The log file has the lines below:
2011-04-28 10:55:46,505 [Thread-8] ERROR XMLTransformationManager - Unable to load object from XML: C:\Users\Beatriz\Documents\ODTUG\2011\SDDM designs\GAME\GAME\rel\0EEBE15E-D9EFB22E4D6B\subviews\02A206F8-0C6C-0DF9-E643-5919DBCB895A.xml
java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\Users\Beatriz\Documents\ODTUG\2011\SDDM designs\GAME\GAME\rel\0EEBE15E-D9EFB22E4D6B\subviews\02A206F8-0C6C-0DF9-E643-5919DBCB895A.xml (The system cannot find the file specified)
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Please let me know if you can provide a fix or workaround for this (other than changing the format in Designer).
Thank you,
Beatriz.

Hello Beatriz,
definitely this is a bug. The problem with entities is not IMAGE data type it's supported there (it's overlooked for domains). The problem is volume information - Initial, Maximum, Average, Growth rate. No workaround for that.
Domain can be changed manually if it's just one affected.
Philip

Data Modeler 30EA : Oracle Designer Import Wizard

When I want to import an Oracle Designer Model, I've no entries in "Select Applications Systems".
But in the previous release (2.0.0), i could see all my "Aplication System".
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What is the problem? Must I configure anything more?
Thanks, Cédric

Hi Cédric,
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4.0EA1 DM Import from Designer view wrong

Hello,
when using the import of an Oracle Designer model, the view definition is malformed in Data Modeler when the select text of a column in Designer is appended with a comment.
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Joop

Hi
I would like to echo Joop's suggestion to rather put the comma at the start of each line (prefix), when generating the select text. It alleviates many issues (such as the one highlighted in Joop's topic) and it is our own internal SQL coding standard for just that reason.
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At this stage we do not support multiple files. We do plan to do this in the future. However you can work around this by repeating the DDL generation for the different objects types you want to have files for.
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