InDesgin/InCopy xml workflow

Hi,
How to work with xml in indesign for incopy workflow.
Its works on non xml workflow.
In xml workflow i think, some structured issues available.
Please clarify this workflow (if possible with sample).

My advice would be to avoid tables as much as possible for XML. (They can be useful sometimes, if the structure of original XML is very uniform, with different types of data in the same tags.)
If someone has asked you for a DTD, rather than the other way around, I presume that means you have control over the final agreed structure of the XML files you import. Rejoice! Use your powers to shape structure well -- and avoid tables. I think.
Jeremy

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I wish I could express myself in another language as well as you handle English -- and my bread and butter is typesetting text that is challenging linguistically.
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sorry for my bad english :)
i hope someone can help me, i have no more ideas ...
this is the problem in our indesign-incopy-indesign work flow:
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