XML Workflow

Noob to XML workflow here and I have a few questions. Any help and all patience is gratelly appreciated.
The manager of our co. database advised me he could give me a xml file for all the data of many products if I could get him a dtd file,, thus should I
1. Create the table then tag the cells
2. export the XML and use a online dtd generator like this /http://www.hitsw.com/xml_utilites/
A few more questions if I may
1. I'm using CS3 so are there any considerations or limitations to using tables and XML?
2. Are tables the best way to go about organizing this data for use with XML?

My advice would be to avoid tables as much as possible for XML. (They can be useful sometimes, if the structure of original XML is very uniform, with different types of data in the same tags.)
If someone has asked you for a DTD, rather than the other way around, I presume that means you have control over the final agreed structure of the XML files you import. Rejoice! Use your powers to shape structure well -- and avoid tables. I think.
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