Indesign gradient pms color issue

I was wondering how to change a pms tint (exact %) in a gradient in indesign cs4? I'm just confused. It's pretty simple in illustrator..
thanks.

Don't be so ridiculous.
The company isn't 1 person pulling all the strings.
Each application has a different product manager, and each manager has their own team, and they have sub teams and they have sub teams and sub contractors.
It's quite easy to make a tint swatch in InDesign and apply it to a gradient.
It's quite easy to make a tint swatch in Illustrator and apply it to a gradient.
There's just slightly different ways they incorporated the functionallity into the programmes.
It's like saying why aren't all the Ford cars the exact same, why do some have air conditioning, why do some have better air conditioning than others?
Well they're all made the same company! Why aren't they all the same?
The answer is different teams, production schedules and the fact that sometimes somone has to make a decision.
Perhaps the programmers of the InDesign product just couldn't produce the same Gradient abilities as the Illutrator team - it could be lack of time on the project and needed something there - but didn't have time to replicate Illustrators ability.
It could be that someone decided that Illustrators way wasn't as good as the idea they had for how the function should work.
Perhaps they created it that way because they want to build other features around it that Illustrators way wouldn't have worked.
Get off your high-horse and learn the programme and how to do it within the programme.

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Yes, I've callibrated my monitor
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So I figured the problem must've been solved with the new Acrobat XI... I download the trial and installed it. I created a new PDF and it comes up looking like it should. GREAT, except for the price to update to Acrobat Pro XI!
THEN, some message comes up about trusted certificates?! I click ok... and the color on the PDF goes wrong again! What is the problem with this CRAP? HOW DO I FIX THIS GARBAGE? Is it fixable on the old version (Acrobat X)?
I've worked in Adobe products for years but they are going backwards and becoming more problematic by the day. Not to mention it's ridiculous to have to pay $200 to get a new version of Acrobat Pro after recently buying CS6. This is an insult to long time professional customers, you should be providing this update FREE to makeup for your broken, out of sync with Apple CRAP.

Well any local application change to the color settings is going to show up out of sync
All syncing does is match the application's Working CMYK and RGB settings, but the only case where a Working profile color manages a document is when the doc has no profile assignment. So if I sync to North American General my Working CMYK space is US SWOP, but if I open a document with US Sheetfed assigned, US Sheetfed manages the preview not US SWOP.
I'm not saying you aren't experiencing a bug, but you have to be sure of what profile assignments or simulation profiles are driving the preview and syncing doesn't do that. How you export (are you including profiles?, making a conversion?), and what device you are simulating in both programs can make syncing meaningless for existing document's previews.
I can't test X but with XI if you export a PDF/X-4 (where there's no conversion and all profiles are included), the preview with Output Preview closed shows RGB objects unchanged—same as ID with Overprint/Sep Preview Off.
When I open Output Preview the initial Simulation profile is the PDF/X-4 output intent which is the ID doc's assigned profile, in that case RGB objects preview in the output intent's CMYK space—same as ID with Overprint on.

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Hi,
I have a logo file that I'm doing in Photoshop that I want to throw into my InDesign document (a gift certificate - I like using ID so that the text is crisp), and this will be printed in 2 PMS colors (metallic gold 873 and green 330) on an offset printer. If I want to print my logo in PMS gold 873, is it better to use the Pantone library in Photoshop and save as a CMYK file (is that correct?) and then place that file into my ID document? Or someone told me to make the logo document a grayscale file, up the black in Levels and make sure the K in Info is 100%, flatten and save as a TIFF, place it in ID, then using the direct selection tool, pick the Pantone 873 in ID's swatches to color it in. When I ask which is "better," I mean final print quality-wise. The latter route looks a bit "fuzzy" to me when I blow it up in the PDF on-screen, whereas the first route looked sharper to me.
Thanks,
Jen

Unless your logo requires a photographic element, Photoshop is really one of the worst tools to be using to create a logo, especially if you are having issues with fuzziness.
Illustrator is more often used for logo creation.
If you do not have Illustrator, you can use InDesign to create a logo and export/save the page as an EPS file that can be re-placed in another InDesign document and scaled to any size without fuzziness.

How do I mix 2 pms colors to achieve a 3rd color?

I'm running Illustrator CS6 on a Win 64 bit PC. Seems there was a time, in earlier versions when I could pick a pms blue and a pms yellow and achieve a rudimentary green by mixing 20% pms blue and 60% pms yellow, as an example.
I'm having a whale of a time figuring out to do this in the current version. I've been futzing around in edit/edit colors using the two pms colors I've chosen and although I can get tints of each color I can't seem to figure out how to get blends of the tints of each color.
Can anyone help out there? Please?

No reason to expand the spot color gradient they separate fine.
The explanation about overprint and it being an older persons tool is that many younger professionals are not taught production, the idea of overprint is totally foreign to them amongst other production wise work flow.
There are users in their forties that have production experience. That does not mean all young people are ignorant of their craft but it is less of an issue for them as other people take up the slack.
We see it all the time on the forum, unusual things like users not converting RGB image files to cmyk in photoshop before placing them into an Illustrator file nd wondering why the color is off.
They often confuse dpi for ppi. the do not know the difference between spot colors and process color equivalent, don't know the difference between vector and raster! the list goes on.
They don't understand why you can't overprint to cmyk process colors.
There aree really an interesting lack of apprentiship in the filed these days.
However even the less eexperience do know heir trade as it is today and oftebn surprise us with interesting techniques and knowledge of software and hardware issues.
They say you are as young as you feel and i don't feel a day over 67 which is amazing since i am 67. I guess all that expercise has paid off. I am really tired.

Deleting unused PMS color

I can't seem to get rid of a PMS color. I've tried exporting the document to IDML and opening it, selecting all Unused colors and deleting, going through all of the styles to make sure it's not in there, checking all imported graphics to make sure it's not in there— nothing gets rid of the PMS color.

Hi,
could you inform us, on which version of InDesign you are using?
With which version was this document created initially?
I ask, because I remember an issue, but very long ago, which did not allow to delete spot colors, even if the document was empty. But this should not be an issue with versions later than CS3.
If the spot color was imported by some kind of EPS or PDF files, you are not able to delete it in the document, nor to do so in the EPS or PDF file unless you have Illustrator and these files were created in Illustrator. (Or you have Freehand and these files were created in Freehand, same with other drawing applications.) Opening these kind in a different editor might cause damage.
In these circumstances you could use the ink manager (you find it in the Swatch Panel Menu) and target the spot colors, all or some selected, to process color or to a different spot color.

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I have now found the problem, but am unsure how to deal with it in the future (color management hell) : something to do with our synchronized profiles that basically say: adjust to match current color settings, placed content:keep existing assignments. I don't know how clear this is? If iI disable the profile so I can override the existing assignment (which must have originally been to preserve appearance rather than numbers) it all works out.
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Coverting PMS Colors to CMYK or RGB

HI there, I have been given some PSM colors to use for a
website but cant find how to convert them to CMYK or RGB. Does
anyone know anything about PMS colors and how I would go about
converting?
1. Example: PMS 8520 Metallic Light Brown
Cheers
Mally

quote:
Originally posted by:
MalRom
HI there, I have been given some PSM colors to use for a
website but cant find how to convert them to CMYK or RGB. Does
anyone know anything about PMS colors and how I would go about
converting?
1. Example: PMS 8520 Metallic Light Brown
Cheers
Mally
Years ago, Pantone made a product called ColorWeb Pro that
had software and also a fan of ink samples and Pantone's
recommendations for CMYK and RGB (Web) values that would be the
best representation for each ink. For the Web, they'd researched
the ink colors and tried to account for variations in graphics
card, monitor, and printer hardware. Because of that variation,
there's really no hard and fast conversion you can use. (Plus, the
RGB colors that are best for the Web won't be the same as the CMYK
colors that are best for print.)
Pantone has a number of current products for color matching.
You might be better off contacting them and getting advice on what
product would work best for you.
Pantone Web site
For a metallic color, you might want to use a subtle gradient
to simulate a reflective effect, though.
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Does anyone know if there is a way that I can select/use PMS colors in my Pages ('09) documents? We have quite a few forms/documents that have been previously created in Quark. As we update them, I am recreating them in Pages, and I want the colors to be consistent with what we've had before. Any suggestions?
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I'm not so much concerned about print production issues as I am about document-creation issues.
So document preparation is nothing to do with print production?? That's new.
I want to at least be able to match PMS colors because our logos and other graphic elements are specific PMS colors, and I'd like to be able to do more that just eyeball them to get the same colors when I recreate the documents in Pages.
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If you want to match the COLOUR, first, determine and download the ICC PRTR Printer profile for your intended printing condition, and second, determine the closest process combination using the CIELa*b for the Pantone solid in a colourimetric match.
You have been able to do this for a decade with the free download of the functioning ColorPicker in GretagMacbeth ProfileMaker 4 and higher or GretagMacbeth Eye-One Match. Before that you could do something of the same with the X-Rite ColorShop software.
Adobe Photoshop has had CIELa*b data for solid Pantones for some time, too.
If you design with Pantones and save into Adobe page description models whether Encapsulated PostScript or Portable Document Format, the Pantones will be name-referenced in the page descriptions and will stay that way when placed in Apple Pages.
But whether you would want Pantones in the first place is another matter.
/hh

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