Internal Orders versus Project Systems

Hi
My client is currently using WBS elements for capital projects. Project System is not in scope; thus, we are trying to decide whether we should bring it in scope with limited functionality or use internal orders for capital projects. I'm writing a position paper describing comparison of using project system versus internal order. Can any one of you please help me in providing the differentiating points. And also can you please give a description of capital projects.
Thanks a lot in advance.

Hi,
To begin with Internal order is a cost object like the WBS elements and activities in the Projects.
For the capital Projects following are the Points that should Favor the PS as compared to Internal Orders:
1. Time planning Possible
2. Resourse Planning possible.
3. Capacity planning and leveling possible.
4. Cost planning is possible in detail.
5. Material Planning possible.
6. Budget planning is possible in detail for the various phases of the project.
7. Cost and Budget monitoring is possible at the various phases in detail.
8. For the long term projects the Cash management is possible.
9. Revenue Planning and monitoring is possible in details.
Above all the PS is more flexible in handling all the project related issues than Internal order.
Now its upto one to use the functionality of PS to one's requirement.
In short PS module is like an Expert Doctor than a general physician.
Hope its useful.
Reward points if useful.
Thanks..

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Internal Order vs Project System

Hello expert,
as you all know the function of WBS Element, Internal Order and Cost Center are similar.
My question is what kind of environment that made us decide to us WBS element rather than internal order or cost center?
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Cost Cennter is different concpet from WBS and IO eventhoug all are Co objects. Cost Center is one of the master data for CO while as WBS/ IO is purely transaction data.
WBS is having integration with most of logistic cycle and modules. In WBS hierarchy concpet for strucute as well as budget is the while as not in IO.
You decide wether to go for IO or WBS most of the case when you are going from IM. IO is more limited to Controlling and not to logistic trasaction . I think this is the main difference.
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Nitin P.

Open Internal Orders from legacy system

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Is there a way to bring over open projects (Internal Orders) from legacy system into SAP?, especially the way to bring over legacy cost information collected on such projects.
Would appreciate any help,
Ram
Message was edited by:
Ram R

Hi
As such you cannot do this. You download your Legacy system data to an excel sheet and then upload the PO details into SAP using an LSMW etc.
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Dev

Sales order with project system

Hi,
Is any one can explain for the mentioned scenerio pl:
In production cost by Sales order, is production / process order will be linked for production booking or always is it best to implement the make to order with project systems - Sales & Process / production order is used as WBS element?
Also, can u pl. exlain me how to activate the same?
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Hi,
Is any one can explain for the mentioned scenerio pl:
In production cost by Sales order, is production / process order will be linked for production booking or always is it best to implement the make to order with project systems - Sales & Process / production order is used as WBS element?
Also, can u pl. exlain me how to activate the same?
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SMK Ganesh

Sales order in Project system

Hi All,
Can u tell me please how can we create a sales order,Quotation in projects and what are tcodes for that.
As i am here involved in Capital projects i dont have any idea of customer projects ican u pleease let me know the customizing part too.
Assured of rewarsd points
Thanks in Advance.
Regards,
Abraham.S

Hi,
to create quote from project system there is quite a bit of PS ( project system ) SD integration is required. i will try my best to deliver with whatever time i have right now.
1. t-code -CKCM - your will define easy cost planning here whihc will be your pricing factor in in sales order.
2. ODP1- you define DIP profile here you will also define your costing elements here. this DIP profile is attached to sales doc type. and on main menu you will find button that says quotation. click on that. this willd irectly take you to quote and from there u can take it forward.
I hope it helps u little. Though i know its not enough.

Sales Order Vs Project Systems(CNS0--Vl02n--VF01) Value&Status(Partial Disp

Dear All,
I need your suggestion in the following scenario:
This is the Partial Dispatch scenario.
Here in the Sales Order, we are attaching the FERT; Here we will give the total price of the FERT in Conditions level;
In the Project Systems level, we are attaching HALB items of FERT.
Now the flow will be We will deliver each HALB from PS through CNS0; Then by going to VL02N and do PGI; By reffering to these Deliveries,Billing(VF01) will be done for each HALB; In Billing(VF01), Pricing will be given for each HALB (since for each HALB bill will be raised seperately);
The issue here is that I need to know whether I can have a check so that Cumulatively the Billing Value of all the HALBs is in Correlation with the FERT value in the Sales Order;
Here I am creating the Bill with reference to Delivery(CNS0-Vl02n) and not with ref. to Sales Order.
(ii) Also there is one more issue in the same scenario.
Here the Sales Order status will be In Process . By reffering to the Sales Order I am just raising the Proforma Invoices for Down Payment, against Design/Engineering.
I need to know how I can make Sales Order staus as Complete.
I need your suggestion to solve these issues in a better way.
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somnath

Bom dia Marc de Ruijter,
Não dá para ler sua thread, mas imagino que seu validador esteja desligado.
No GRC vá em SPRO --> SAP GRC Nota Fiscal Electronica --> Configure System Response for Each Tax Number (CNPJ)
Para ligar/desligar o Validador basta clicar no check box na coluna Validation.
Observação: Para correto funcionamento do GRC deve-se sempre utilizar o validador ligado.
Após isto refaça seu teste, é provável que você receba um erro de validação para a NF-e. Veja em GRC Web monitor -> NFe Detailed View -> Validation History.
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Re: Internal Order & Project system

Dear All,
Please can one give brief explanation of internal Order and Project system.
1) What is the major difference Internal Order and Project system.
why some companies use Internal Order
why some coompanies use Project system.
Thanks in advace
Venkat.

Dear Venkat,
Internal Order is Sub-module of controlling whereas Project System is entire module in SAP.
Internal Order will provide information related to cost posted to the order, budget, commitments etc. And in Project system module you can create various projects to analyze company's profitability.
Substitution between Internal Order and Project system is highly depends upon the size of the Project. Many companies may be using internal order instead of Project in order to trap the cost.
Project system will provide every minute information pertaining to the project. Whereas internal order will not be able dole out.
Companies in Real Estate can not substitute Internal Order with that of Project system. Project System module is both heart and brain for Real Estate industry. And companies in other Industries having small value and size of project can use internal order instead of Project system.
To conclude, Internal Order is narrow concept where Project System is an Ocean
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Chintan Joshi.

Internal Order - System Status LKD

Hi All,
For an internal order which has system status LKD active, can I mark it for deletion?
When tried to do so, I get an error message like
" E BS 013 System status LKD is active (ORD XXX)
KO 424 Order XXX / Mark for deletion "
What can be done?
Thanks ,
Janani

Hi,
if your order is marked for deletion then you can't put it for locked status and it goes other way around i.e. if your order is lkd ,it can't be marked for deletion.
Reward points if it helps.
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Production order-Project system

Hi
How can planned order can be converted into production order in project system
Regards
Suresh

Hi
With manual selection the system lists all the valid task lists that exist for the material at the time of copying and that should be selected according to the selection ID. You can select the required routing from this list.
Working Without a Routing
When you work without a routing the system automatically generates an operation. It proceeds as follows:
If default values have been maintained for the automatic generation of an operation the system uses these values to generate an operation automatically in the order.
If no default values are specified in Customizing the system generates an operation with the control key 0001 and the operation number 0010.
<b>If a routing must be selected but no routing can be selected then the system reacts with a termination message and you must carry out order creation again.</b>
Further information please refer the link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/b1/c04182439a11d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Internal order settlement to G/L account

Dear All,
User has created one internal order 650002012 and the settlement profile is created settle to G/L account S882000000. this is a cost element category "1" (Loss on contract cancellation & co).
In the internal order The Responsible cost center is DA01D89998 (Validation & Eng Admin-St) the profit center for this "DA01".
In the internal order the Requesting cost center is DA26ZPSHRD (Shared Cost Center for Deltron), the profit center is "DA26"
in the settlement profile when i double click on the settlement rule, he has assigned the Cost center DA01ZPSHRD (Shared Cost Center for Ko) and the profit center is "DA01".
But when he execute the T.C "KO8G" the system is showing the error is " G/L account requires an assignement to CO object".
1. The receiver G/L account has created as a cost element. is this correct?
2. In the allocation structure do we have to select the "By cost element check box" or do we have to give the secondary cost element in the settlement cost element field.
Please give the sugessions to solve this problem.
Thanks and regards,
Rao.

It sounds like you are a little confused on how internal order settlement works. If you want the internal order to settle to a G/L account then you must enter the G/L account number in the settlement rule in the internal order. To do this, click on the settlement rule button in the order, select category G/L and enter the G/L account number. In order for you to be able to select G/L as a settlement object the settlement profile you've assigned to the order must allow this. Check the settlement profile and make sure that G/L account is listed as settlement optional or settlement required. Also check the allocation structure that is attached to the settlement profile. In the allocation structure you must have an entry under the settlement cost element for receiver category G/L. Here you should specify a cost element of type 22 as the settlement cost element.
When you make those settings you will be able to specify the receiving G/L account in the internal order. The system will then credit the internal order for the settlment amount with the credit posted on the category 22 cost element specified in the allocation structure. The debit will appear on the G/L account you specified in the internal order's settlement rule. Normally, the receiving G/L account would not be setup as a cost element. if you do set it up as a cost element you will need to use an automatic account assignment setting (OKB9) to specify the cost object that it will post to.
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Internal order - error message M7064 when trying to post GR in MIGO

Hi All,
When trying to post GR against an internal order in MIGO system gives error message M7064
"Document 000009000030 does not contain any selectable items"
I'm not familiar with CO orders. What shall I check and how? Could you please help?
In KO03:
Status of order: REL DLV GMPS SETC VCAL
Allowed transactions: I can see e.g. RMRU, RMWA, RMWE, RMWF
Isn't it possible hat somehow the status of the order controls it? But how?
Please help.
Thanks,
Csaba
Edited by: Csaba Szommer on Feb 3, 2010 4:21 PM

HI,
I'm not sure if you got a chance to look at the long text of the error message, which shows the possible reasons and procedure to follow. You may want to check if any of these reasons applicable in your case..
Diagnosis
The document or document item entered cannot be adopted.
Possible reasons for this are:
The document items have already been processed
(Suggest zero lines indicator set?).
the document items have been deleted or are blocked.
the document items have been created for a different plant.
(for reservations only) movements are not yet allowed for the reservation items.
(for reservations only) the document items are retrograde components of the order. These are posted using the order confirmations.
A confirmation must exist for the document items.
The document items must be released first.
The document is an R/2 document.
Procedure
Make sure your entries are correct.
If the system has already processed the total quantity, you can set the Suggest zero lines indicator. The system will suggest the quantity zero for the items that have already been processed.
If you have entered a particular item, cancel the item. If you do not enter an item, the system searches all of the open items in the document.
If the document is a purchase order, production order or a reservation, you can enter search criteria in the dialog box.
You access the dialog box by choosing Enter with reference on the initial screen.
If the document is an SAP R/2 document, you have to cancel it manually by entering the reversal movement type.
Hope this helps.

AUC - Internal order values to upload

Hi,
We are doing master data upload.
We have created BDC to upload the Internal order from legacy system to SAP.
Can any one please help on how to upload the Internal order Balances (with Asset under constructurion)
Thanks,
Sudha

"Can any one please help on how to upload the Internal order Balances (with Asset under constructurion)"
What is the actual problem?
Assuming you want historical balances for each period on your Internal Order. One option is to:
Post a take-on journal for each month of the Internal Order:
Dr P&L Exp (Capex P&L Account) with Internal Order
Cr 999999 Opening Balance takeon GL (Balance Sheet)
Run settlement for each month:
Dr AuC
Cr P&L settlement account with Internal Order
Assumes you use a separate P&L settlement account otherwise you need to create a report painter report to report on the P&L Capex account if you don't (i.e. report painter separates settlements and actual expenditures ect in columns for the Capex account).
Above process is painful if you have many years of data. Otherwise you can pick the end of the prior fiscal year to post the bulk of the Internal Order Value then settle it, carry forward the AuC by standard asset module closing, and then post each period as above for the current Fiscal Year.
You would then need to exclude these figures from the Trial Balance for the remainder of the opening Balance postings at Go-Live.
Anyone with a better idea?

Closing of old internal order with costs

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we have an old internal order in the system that has to be closed.
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Therefore the order cannot be closed and settlement is not possible as the postings are out of rather old periods and the settlement structures and master data do not fit anymore.
Is there a possibility to close the order? A special report or something?
Technically it is closed (TABG) but we need to set the status BABS.
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Britta

Hello,
unfortunately the posting that causes the balance is out of the year 2009.
I changed the settlement rule to "GES" and to a cost center but the system does not want to do the settlement.
The error says that I have to do the settlement in 2009.
Thanx for your help,
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Any BAPI or FM to release an Internal Order

Hi,
I am uploading internal orders from legacy system to SAP. The default status that is required for these internal orders as released.
Is there any BAPI or FM to release an internal order?
Rgds,
Ashish

Hi Rau,
Thanks for your input.
Well, doing at order type level will set the status released for those orders too which will be created into SAP system.Here we need to set status released for only those which we are uploading from legacy.
Planned to used BAPI but since for settlement rule i am getting only two fields category & settlement receiver which are not there in BAPI interface structure thus going for a custom program which will use BDC.
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Internal Order Reprot name ?

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Is there a report in SAP that would give me a list of active Internal Orders,
Also, I need the Profit Center to appear in the above requested report.
Regards
Kumar

Hello,
Please check if there are any standard reports available at
Controlling -> Internal Order Accounting -> Information Systems -> Master Data
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Go to TSTCT table in SE16
Language EN
Tcodes S_ALR*
Maximum Number of hits 99999
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Order / master data etc.
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