Iphoto 08 vs aperture book templates

I too wanted to use the new book template from iphoto 08... But I can't get this accomplished... There should be an easy way to import / export (depending on which program) to use the new book templates from iphoto 08 into Aperture. This release of iphoto 08 without acknowleging us Aperture users is in my view a horrible mistake and the Apple executives should be embarrassed.

One problem I am having is that if you browse the Aperture library using iPhoto 08 you can certainly import the previews but they are in fact not large enough/high quality enough to use for book or calendar printing. I use high qual previews in Aperture (9 out of 10) at large sizes and I still get the exclamation point when I import into iPhoto -- the only way I can get it to work properly is to export to the desktop the full-size versions, then import those into iPhoto. Not excatly seamless! Am I missing something that will make this work better? I mean, what is the point of sharing Previews if the Previews won't work well enough for printing?

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Iphoto vs aperture book quality

I realize that aperture gives much more flexibility, however, is it the same printing service? I use iphoto, but there was a write up on aperture in a photo magazine giving it high marks. How different from a printing service standpoint are the two applications? Anyone know?

Diana Phillips wrote:
Are books from aperture and iphoto printed using the same quality paper,printers,inks etc????
OR is aperture better. I am not referring to the layout options just print quality.
Sadly, it appears that there is a bug in Aperture 2.1, and images printed from books within Aperture, whether by Apple or on your own printer, have serious colour management issues. This only affects images printed +from books+ within Aperture.

Aperture book v Asuka book

Hi,
I've said similar to this recently in another thread, but I'd like to obtain some info from somebody who's used Asuka Books for a top end product, and who knows how to get the best from their layout template.
I have used the iPhoto and Aperture books and they are great, just as long as you want a good quality proof book to show a client as an interim update on their job. The final result needs to be higher res and spec, and this is what Asuka Books offer (so I've been told).
Both have a definate place in my workflow, but please can somebody just tell me some tips on preparing an Asuka layout in CS2 prior to placing the final order. Stuff like ....
- res (leave it at their dpi)?
- jpeg compression on the page (I assume highest)?
- tips on the best tweeks when importing the files to the layout
- etc
Aperture is perfect for me to edit down and prepare for the proof book, then produce the Asuka book. Sorry Adobe, Lightroom looks fine, it'll be a great way to spur Apple on to make Aperture better (in my opinion) - which suits me!
Thanks to anybody who can help,
Mark

Hi Mark,
I am the US rep for Asukabook, so my opinions may be biased (yes, I think they're the best available , but I will shoot you some straight information on the best ways to setup you files for an Asukabook.
1) Start with the asukabook blank photoshop templates and place or copy/paste your images into it. Do not ever change the resolution of the templates. It must stay at our exact specifications or they won't make it through the file checker program. When you place or copy/paste images to a PS page, the resolution will automatically be made to match the destination, so you don't really need to worry about this.
2) I, too, was hoping that the Aperture layouts would be flexible enough to allow for sizing the books for other companies, but unfortunately you can't - yet (are you listening Apple?). Professionals shouldn't be forced to order only iBooks.
3) JPG compression on the finished page should be at the highest possible quality setting (12 in PS)
4) If you are using PS CS2, you're in luck. Use the FILE: PLACE command and point to your finished images to bring them into your layout. By using the PLACE command, you bring the image in as a "smart object" which allows you to place with the sizing as much as you want. It doesn't rasterize the image until you finally flatten the layout or save it out as the final JPG. This maintains the best image quality throughout your design process.
6) Some people ask about using other programs to create layouts, and this is possible as long as the output size and resolution are EXACTLY the same as our templates. Page Gallery (from Yervant) is being updated to support the Asukabook page sizes - hopefully by March or April. Our own AutoAlbum software (from www.KubotaImageTools.com) also builds compatible pages that can be Placed using the technique I described above (except you place the entire finished layout that AutoAlbum creates, instead of single images)
Other album builder software packages are also being updated to work with Asukabooks directly.
With some hand tweaking, you could take your Aperture generated pages and place them into an Asukabook layout as well, although we haven't tested this thoroughly enough yet to provide specifics or a solid recommendation.
Hope that helps,
Kevin Kubota
Quad G5, Powerbook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Help to make iPhoto mirror Aperture

I have not used iPhoto recently but after updating Aperture to 3.3 I now would like to use iPhoto again but would like it to mirror Aperture with the same albums, smart albums, etc. Now when I open iPhoto the library is there but no albums. Can iPhoto do this automatically and update automatically from aperture. I'd rather not set up the albums and maintain them manually.

There are some limitations on using the unified Aperture / iPhoto Library:
Aperture books and webpages will not be visible in iPhoto; and images that you have hidden in iPhoto cannot be made visible in Aperture.
Have a look at this KB article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5043, i.e. the last section: Notes on working with unified libraries in iPhoto and Aperture
Regards
Léonie

HT3412 I recently moved all my photos from iphoto to Aperture. I had several iphoto books and cards in my project file. When everything was moved to Aperture I can't find any of the books or card projects. Are they gone or can they be restored?

I recently moved all my photos from iphoto to Aperture. I had several iphoto books and cards in my project file. When everything was moved to Aperture I can't find any of the books or card projects. Are they gone or can they be restored?

1 - without specifics I have no idea how to help
2 - the question was "are you trying to use them in iPhoto? " - it sounds like you are - to do so you will have to export them from Aperature and import into iPhoto
3 - for information on how to use them in Aperature then you need to ask about how to use Aperature in the Aperature forum as it does not involve iPhoto
LN

Can you transfer book created in iPhoto to Aperture?

Can I transfer or move books I have created in iPhoto to Aperture?

If you open the Library in Aperture you'll be able to edit the book.
Are you sure, TD?
When I open a library I created in iPhoto 9.6 in Aperture 3.6, the Photo Books will give me this warning:
"iPhoto Print Projects" cannot be edited in Aperture."
It is also mentioned in Aperture 3: Using a unified photo library with iPhoto and Aperture - Apple Support
Print Products
Books, calendars and cards you create in iPhoto are visible in the Source list in Aperture, but cannot be edited. Books, web pages, and web journals you create in Aperture are not visible in iPhoto.

IPhoto vs Aperture Photo Books

How does the quality of photo books produced in Aperture compare to those produced in iPhoto? Is there more freedom in layout? Can you adjust text box sizes on a page? What other things make Aperture books better (or worse) than iPhoto?

Hello,
on my experience Aperture´s books could be absolutly customized, so that´s more freedom in layouts.
You can adjust / change text boxes, fonts, sizes, color, and so...
You can create your personal book´s theme, or just only one or more pages within choosed theme, then you can print your book via on-line service, or print as PDF, PDF-X, TIFF (every composed page) or JPEG (same as tiff) to your computer...
but if you choose a theme and/or size, style (hardcover or softcover) but you want to change it for a different order, for example for parents, with another size or hardwork style, you must start creating another book ;<.
Ignacio
pd. excuse me my poor english cause i´m writing you from spain and it´s hard enough to me to do it in another different languge of mine and maybe i wouldn't explain so weel.

IPhoto book templates...

Are there other book templates that can be used in iPhoto? Looking for more variety than what is offered in iPhoto! Thanks.

If you have an image editor that supports layers or Pages you can create your own custom page themes and layouts as described here: iP11 - Creating a Custom Page, with the Theme's Background for an iPhoto Book
OT

Unify aperture and iphoto libraries: the book (tricky) issue

I had been in the process of migrating from iPhoto to Aperture for a while now.
I imported iPhoto library in Aperture few monthes ago and am now using only Aperture.
Everything is fine for two things:
- I could not import the books (format is not compatible), so i had to keep the iPhoto library
- I didn't want to duplicate the orignals , so they are still in iPhoto library
With Aperture 3.3, the library could be unified with iPhoto
I would like to move all originals to Aperture library and still be able to open from iPhoto (so far, easy) but also keep the iPhoto books (which as far as i know are still incompatible with aperture books formats)
In other words, i want one aperture library, including masters, and I want to be able to open it from iPhoto, and still keep the old books (that were built from the initial iPhoto library) in iPhoto
Any clue ?

Hi Leonie,
You're really full of resources (not sure if this french expression translates well in english, but you get the idea) !
I finally found a way, not the most elegant one, but it's working:
0. Open each book in iPhoto. Delete in the book non-used photos of the book (in project list, choose book, then choose photos in the toolbar in the bottom, display non placed photos, delete). Now books projects only contain photos actually used in the book. (this step may not be necessary, but it speeds the process)
0. bis: Backup your Aperture library. don't forget to stop also any automatic backup process (like time machine)
1. Open the iPhoto library with Aperture (remember i had already migrated to Aperture 3,3 & iPhoto 9, which makes the libraries compatibles)
2. Export each of your books as a phototheque (right click on the book in the inspector navigator/ choose export impression project as a phototheque). Give specific name, for example "project x"
3. Open first created book phototheque in aperture
4. Tag photos of the phototheque with a specific keyword, for example "book x"
5. Close phototheque for "book x" and resume on step 3 for other phototheques
6. Open default aperture Library
7. Import first phototheque, merge with Aperture Library
8. Normally you get duplicates, especially if you have added metadata or edited the photos in aperture since you created the books in iPhoto. At least that's what happened to me
9. You can now grab the recent metadata on the one that was already in Aperture and apply it to the imported one. To do that, create a smart album with the keyword "project x"; then move all new imported events from iPhoto to the event where they belong in aperture. Then in the smart album, for a specific picture when you choose "display in the project" (i have defined a shortcut) you are in the event where the duplicate photo also sits. Choose cmd shift C on the photo with metadata, cmd shift V on the photo with the tag "project x" to transfer the metadata. You can delete the first one, except if you had edited the original differently in the book and in aperture and want to keep both. You still have to re-enter the faces on the imported one
10. You can erase the tag "project x"
11. Go back to step 7 for other books
12. Check you can see your books in iphoto when opening aperture library with iphoto. You can now consolidate the aperture library and migrate all referenced iPhoto pics inside the aperture library
13. you can erase iPhoto Library and other books phototheques created in step 2
You now have one unified library, that you can use in aperture and iPhoto, with your old iPhoto books in it.
(you also have lost a few hours...)

Bring far better iPhoto book-templates back!

Please migrate the iPhoto Book templates to Photos.
Photos is better in a lot of aspects but for us none of the offered book templates gets close to "Old World Travel" or "Asian Travel" etc.
They had a far better variety of pages by default, being able to take more photos at the time and needed far less editing.
The poor Photo books just show e.g. 80 pages of always the same boring page layout. Then the message "can only import 80 photos". In iPhoto I added 220 photos and got a nice varying layout. Boom.
If this (rather easy-to-do thing) is not happening, I guess you lost us as customers!

There are other online book providers that may have a more flexible layout that would suit your needs. Here are some of them:
Sites for Ordering Bound Books
Ofoto
Shutterfly
SharedInk
ImageStation
PhotoWorks
Viovo
Blurb
Blurb has an application that you can download and build the book locally before uploading.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

Aperture book for iPhoto user?

I've been running iPhoto for about 10 years, and the time has long been ripe for me to switch to Aperture. I'm currently running iPhoto 2009 on an OX 10.6 Mac Pro. I'd like to switch to Aperture on my Mac Pro, and given that I'm running 10.6 the latest version I can get looks like v3.2.
Can anyone recommend a good book for me to get up to speed in Aperture 3, given my iPhoto experience? I am a fairly advanced user, with a programming background.
John F
New York, NY
ps...
What I like in iPhoto 2009 that I want to keep:
Albums (with "folders" and "subfolders") scroll on the left-hand side. Below the albums list, in the same column, is the optional info box for the selected photo, with the rating, user comments, date taken, etc. To the right is the photo set for the selected album with resizable thumbnails. iPhoto 2011 inexplicably requires a WHOLE NEW COLUMN just to see comments, photo ranking, and other info for the selected photo which is a maddening waste of screen space.
What I want to get from Aperture:
Multiple home directories with a unified view: Right now, I have one giant 100Gb iPhoto directory with all of my photos in it. I'd like, instead, to have one directory per year, but have Aperture browse them all as if they were a single unit.
Portability of photo subsets: I'd then like the ability to copy just one of these directories to my laptop, and then be able work with that subdirectory in Aperture.

In addition to Kirby's introduction to the fundamental features of Aperture, a few notes on the transit from iPhoto to Aperture.
I also have been a long time iPhoto user and really like the added freedom and flexibility that Aperture brings. But one thing was not so nice - there is no easy transition from iPhoto to Aperture 3.2.4 or earlier, if you want to import your iPhoto libraries as libraries and maintain a lossless workflow.
I'm currently running iPhoto 2009 on an OX 10.6 Mac Pro. I'd like to switch to Aperture on my Mac Pro, and given that I'm running 10.6 the latest version I can get looks like v3.2.
Your transit to Aperture would be much smoother, if you could take the plunge and upgrade to MacOS X 10.7.5 and migrate from iPhoto 9.3.x to Aperture 3.4 .
The big difference would be, that you could open any iPhoto Library in Aperture and vica versa and could profit from the representation of images and versions as pairs of original master files and virtual versions. In the iPhoto version you are now running, each edited image is stored twice or more. Each edited verssion will create an new copy of the image file in your iPhoto library. Aperture has always stored only the orginal master and a description of the list of adjustments to render the edited version from the original. You do not duplicate the amount of storage required, when you edit an image, like in the earlier versions of iPhoto? Have you ever been tempted to use iPhoto Diet? With Aperture you can forget such worries.
If you import your iPhoto '09 library to Aperture, there will be no help but to import each photo twice - the original and the edited version and it will be a waste of diskspace compared to the import in Aperture 3.4 and a lot of work to group these duplicates and to decide what to do about them - redo the edits in Aperture and discard the edited iPhoto version, or what?
So, if you can, do this from a Lion or Mt.Lion system, if you already have a large iPhoto Library.
Your wish list:
iPhoto 2011 inexplicably requires a WHOLE NEW COLUMN just to see comments, photo ranking, and other info for the selected photo which is a maddening waste of screen space.
In Aperture you have many ways to view the Metadata - hovering HUDs, tabs, overlays on the images; all is highly customizable.
Multiple home directories with a unified view: Right now, I have one giant 100Gb iPhoto directory with all of my photos in it. I'd like, instead, to have one directory per year, but have Aperture browse them all as if they were a single unit.
No way. If you want Aperture to browse your photo libraries as if they were a single unit, it has to be one library. But you have more advanced tools in Aperture to structure your Aperture library than in iPhoto, and Aperture supports huge, distributed Aperture libraries. It works well - my main Aperture library holds all photos I have ever taken plus some more. See Kirby's explanation above.
Portability of photo subsets: I'd then like the ability to copy just one of these directories to my laptop, and then be able work with that subdirectory in Aperture.
Kirby already explained that. It is easily done by exporting partial libraries and reimporting.
Regards
Léonie

Aperture's templates

H! there,
Does anyone know if I can use Iphoto's templates (Photo book theme's or templates) on aperture? Or does anyone knows if the aperture has colorful themes like the ones in iphoto? or Is there any way that I can manage the pages color while using each photo book's themes? It looks like the photo book themes on aperture has really plain color, either white or black.
Thanks!

What do you mean by upgrade?
Your signature states you are using MacOS X 10.6.8; that is incompatible with Aperture 3.3.2, so you cannot be running AP 3.3.2, unless the signature is wrong.
if you create your Books in iPhoto '11, you will not be able to view and edit the books in Aperture however, see:
iPhoto '11: Use iPhoto with Aperture http://support.apple.com/kb/PH7990
The choice of colors in Aperture depends on the theme you are selecting. Each theme offers a different set of colors, so you need to experiment a little to find a color scheme you like.
"Modern Lines" has nine background colors, "Journal" and Snapshots dito.
For example, the "Snapshots" Theme:
Regards
Léonie

When will Aperture books truly be "custom"

I have already designed a book in Aperture, and do like the creative possibilities.
However, when will we be able to change the page sizes, so that we can have PDFs printed elsewhere?
I would love to be able to go with 12 x 12, 8 x 8, portrait orientation, etc.
Any thoughts?

I totally agree with this thread, and I hope Apple realize that their current offer for books is good only for the iPhoto user (family, fun, amateur...) not for the Aperture users that need profesionally printed and good looking books.
As is now the only use I can give to the Aperture books are for giving a proof book to the bride/mother. For profesional looking books I have to take the pain of exporting and assembling a book externally and send it to Asukabook or Graphicstudio.
Apple needs to solve this matter as soon as possible, offering more sizes, more covers (quality ones), more page finishes (varnished, glossy...) AND more freedom for the templates.
I know all the above could take time to develop, but if they just allow us to freely choose the size of the pages, at least you can print a PDF and send to your prefered printing service.
Aperture is excellent, in my opinion better than Lightroom, and also will be much better in the future, but the book part needs a lot of improvement. If Lightroom (or another new tools) adds a really good book development and printing module, then Aperture will loose customers quickly (I will).
Regards,

Aperture book copyright question!

Hey...I was wondering if it would be allowed to make Aperture books and resell them....obviously if I do not own the copyright then I a cannot...but let's say I take a bunch of pics of my hometown and make a book and ask Apple for copies of this book...would I be allowed to sell it then?

Your images, your work, your creation -> your copyright. Aperture is just a tool and the printing service is just a service. If you write a novel using Microsoft Word, you still own the copyright and Microsoft has no rights over your work, no matter how many fancy fonts and formatting features you use. Aperture is no different.
I'm sure Apple would love you to sell as many copies as you can - especially if you are using their printing service. At worst, they sell more printing services to you as you buy more books. At best, your customers are so impressed that they use Aperture or iPhoto to print books themselves, and Apple sells lots more books.

Print quality difference between iphoto and aperture...?

when ordering books, is there a print quality difference between using iPhoto and Aperture? or are they sent to the same lab?
it's possible i may have some setting wrong, but when i order a book using iphoto, i never really feel the quality is that great. it's good, i just feel it could be a lot better. the print quality sort of reminds me of newsprint, albeit high quality newsprint. similar sized prints made at home on my basic 3-in-1 printer look better.
thanks...

Previews are what you view on your display. When you import a photo into Aperture (and I'm pretty sure iPhoto as well), your computer automatically generates a preview for quick viewing. The original images are stored in your library, but it is the preview that you see.
In Aperture, you are able to set the size and quality of these previews. When sharing photos between Aperture and iPhoto, the process is as follows:
Let's say that your images are stored in Aperture, but you also want to be able to view them in iPhoto without taking up too much room on your hard drive. Essentially, if you were to import the originals into iPhoto as well, you would be storing two exact, yet separate copies of the same image on your hard drive. As you are aware, with large images (whether JPEG's, and especially RAW) this would put quite a tax on your storage capacity after not too long.
So, you have your images in one or the other (in this case Aperture), but you want to play around with them in iPhoto. What you can do, is open iPhoto, go to the File menu and then select, Show Aperture Library. This will open a window with all of the contents of your Aperture Library. You can then drag any images you want into iPhoto . The only thing is, you are not dragging the original JPEG's, but rather, the previews of those images. If you have those previews set to a lower quality (again for capacity concerns), you will only have lower quality and lower detailed images in iPhoto. These images might not be ideal, or even suitable for printing high quality prints. The previews that you generate in Aperture though can be adjusted to be extremely high quality with no size limits.
My thinking was that since you mentioned Aperture, it sounded like you had experience with working with it and with ordering a photo book through Aperture. I guess you were saying that you ordered via iPhoto, weren't happy with the quality and were wondering if Aperture created books were better.
Anyway, if this is the case, I cannot answer that for you. I have never ordered a book through Aperture. If the quality of your images is good, you should be able to get a decent product no matter where you order it from. There is not doubt that the materials used and the print shop that does the work makes a difference, but if your images are good, you should still get a decent product through iPhoto. Perhaps iPhoto isn't the way to go though if you have had poor experiences with them.
If you haven't used Aperture yet, I would highly recommend it though aside from the photo book aspect of this thread. It is a stellar product.
I hope this helps.
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