Issue in Positive Time Mgmt

Dear SAP - HR Experts .
In My Client side , they want to shift for Positive Time Mgmt (want to capture actual times).
They Usually run payroll on 25th day of every month .
if they implement Positive Time in Company then they will have Time Evaluation up to 25th of the month .
Suppose if a employee took two days absences from durring the period of 26th to 31st Jan . but we have Time Evaluation up to 25th day only and we run payroll for Jan upto 1st to 31st .
in that case Employee will recieve complete salary , while in actaul scenrio he was absent for 2 days .
so client have some quries about this situation ...
Q 1 : How his salary will deduct and recover the absence of 2 days ?
Q 2 : How we have to run Time Evaluation from 26th to 31th day of Jan .
Q 3 : what changes are required in PA03 and PU03 ?
Regards : rajneesh
Edited by: Rajneesh Kumar on Feb 13, 2009 8:53 AM

Hi Rajneesh,
Time evaluation period can vary from the payroll periods. You can run the payroll from first of the month till last day and Time evaluation from 26th of previous month till 25th of current month. In this situation employee will be paid for the whole month by the payroll and it will not take into account the absences/sick etc that took place after 25th of the month till the month end.
Later when you do Time evaluation during the following month system will capture those 2 days (as you mentioned) sick/absence took place after 25th of current month and it will deduct the amounts from the Payroll of the following month. But it will not deduct from the current month as the Time evaluation was only done till 25th of the month.
It doenst need any changes in PA03 / PU03
Hope this clarifies your query.
Thanks,
Tara

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Edited by: vinaykk on May 13, 2009 6:47 AM

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IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Define Absence Types.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Define Counting Classes for the Period Work Schedule.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Rules for Absence Counting (New)  Group Employee Subgroups for Time Quotas.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Rules for Absence Counting (New)  Group Personnel Subareas for Time Quotas
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Rules for Absence Counting (New)  Define Rules for Rounding Counted Absences
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Rules for Absence Counting (New)  Define Counting Rules
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Rules for Absence Counting (New)  Define Counting Rules  Deduction rules for Absence quotas
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Absences  Absence Catalog  Absence Counting  Assign Counting Rules to Absence Types.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Attendances/Actual Working Times  Define Attendance Types.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Attendances/Actual Working Times  Attendance counting  Rules for Attendance counting (New)  Assign Counting Rules to Attendance Types.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Managing Time Accounts Using Attendance/Absence Quotas  Time Quota Types  Define Absence Quota Types.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Managing Time Accounts Using Attendance/Absence Quotas  Calculating Absence Entitlements  Automatic Accrual of Absence Quotas  Permit Quota Generation Without Time Evaluation.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Evaluation  Time Evaluation Settings  Set Personnel Subarea Groupings for Time Recording.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Managing Time Accounts Using Attendance/Absence Quotas  Calculating Absence Entitlements  Rules for Generating Absence Quotas  Set Base Entitlements  Base Entitlement for Absence Quota Generation.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Managing Time Accounts Using Attendance/Absence Quotas  Calculating Absence Entitlements  Rules for Generating Absence Quotas  Determine Validity and Deduction Periods.
IMG  Personnel Time Management  Time Data Recording and Administration  Managing Time Accounts Using Attendance/Absence Quotas  Calculating Absence Entitlements  Rules for Generating Absence Quotas  Set Base Entitlements  Define Generation Rules for Quota Selection

Having issues with my Time Machine backups...

my mid-2009 MacBook Pro seems to be having an issue with time machine.
I have an external, 1TB western digital harddrive that I used for my backups. it's about a year old. last weekend I took the harddrive with me on a trip - I kept it inside it's own neoprene case that was in my backpack for the entire weekend. the drive functioned without issue afterwards for almost a week.
then, last Friday, it wouldn't complete a backup. I wasn't sure what the issue was so I (foolishly) erased the drive and just began again as a new TM. now it's still having issues backing up.
I've tried repairing the disk permissions of my internal drive, and that actually seemed to help the TM complete a backup.
usually it will just stop backing up, and sit there for ages without doing anything. I choose "skip this backup" in order to end it, and then try to force another backup right after. the problem, then, is that it will start but won't do much after it reaches 4kb backed up or 23kb. that's not a typo - it really says kilobytes!!
not sure what the issue is at all, or how I can fix it. I have completed a backup since I erased the drive, but it's doesn't seem to want to carry on with regularly scheduled backups.
is it an issue with the time machine harddrive, or something deeper with my computer? are the backups that I have done safe? as I said, I was able to perform an initial backup after I erased the drive... if I end up replacing this computer, will I still be able to restore from the back up?

These instructions must be carried out as an administrator. If you have only one user account, you are the administrator.
Launch the Console application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Console in the icon grid.
The title of the Console window should be All Messages. If it isn't, select
SYSTEM LOG QUERIES ▹ All Messages
from the log list on the left. If you don't see that list, select
View ▹ Show Log List
from the menu bar at the top of the screen.
In the top right corner of the Console window, there's a search box labeled Filter. Initially the words "String Matching" are shown in that box. Enter the word "Starting" (without the quotes.) You should now see log messages with the words "Starting * backup," where * represents any of the words "automatic," "manual," or "standard."
Each message in the log begins with the date and time when it was entered. Note the timestamp of the last "Starting" message that corresponds to the beginning of an an abnormal backup. Now
CLEAR THE WORD "Starting" FROM THE TEXT FIELD
so that all messages are showing, and scroll back in the log to the time you noted. Select the messages timestamped from then until the end of the backup, or the end of the log if that's not clear. Copy them to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. Paste into a reply to this message by pressing command-V.
☞ If all you see are messages that contain the word "Starting," you didn't clear the text field.
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Document on Positive Time Management & Integration with payroll

Hi,
Can any one suggest me any link from where I will get the IMG steps of Positive time management implemetation, time evaluation, time wagetype detail as well as the steps of integration with payroll..
Thanks in advance.
Ajay

Hi Chandrashekar,
Can you please advise how actually the transfer of clock times from time recording terminals to SAP R/3 will work?
I read from help.sap.com that there is a SAP certified CC1 interface (BAPI based) which can be used for this purpose. However, in such a case, the time recording terminals should be SAP CC1 certified.
If the time recording terminals are not SAP CC1 certified, then what is the method to be used? Will we write a custom BDC program in this scenario and what all should be considered in functional specification of such a BDC program.
Please advise.
Thanks and warm regards,
Vianshu

Positive time management through interface or without interface

Hi Gurus,
I am working on positive time management and i have few queries:
1. As a consultant I have to suggest my client whether they should for interface between sap and eternal recording system or not... What you guys suggest which one is better.
2. I came to know that there is a standard interface(HR PDC) in sap to interact with ecternal recording system. I want to know how this Sap interact with external recording system i.e. online or offline using this interface.
Please reply to my queries soon..
Points will be awarded for the inputs.
Hope to hear soon from u guys...

1. As a consultant I have to suggest my client whether they should go for interface between sap and eternal recording system or not... What you guys suggest which one is better.
If your client wish to go for postive time management it is must for you create interface either you willing to say or not.
Without that interface you can't do time positive time management
2. I came to know that there is a standard interface(HR PDC) in sap to interact with ecternal recording system. I want to know how this Sap interact with external recording system i.e. online or offline using this interface.
I belive this needs some third party tool to intract with PDC. then you have use time evaluation status TMSTA 1 according to PDC
I belive it bit differnt from what you are looking for.
please tell me what kind of time terminal your client is using at the moment?
Best Regards

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