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Athlon64 3200+ Venice on Neo4 Plat (no SLI) showing +10MHz but no OC

Hi all- I've a:
Athlon64 3200+ Venice (no OC)
MSI Neo4 Platinum (not SLI)
(2) 512MB Kingston Value 3200 (200MHz) DDR (dual-channel, slots 1 and 2)
250GB Seagate SATA
Some kind of 16x DVD+R/W
Gigabyte 6600GT (stock clocking)
Antec 450W SmartPower 2 (12V-17A + 12V-15A IIRC)
Back story: I was having random lockups during gameplay, every 2 or 3 hours in Guild Wars (all games did it, just GW most of all). Moved RAM from slots 1 and 3 to slots 1 and 2. Didn't help. Then set PCIe clock 5 MHz ahead at the suggestion of one of these forums, which seems to have fixed the problem. (Thank you so very much all!)
I look at PC health when I go to BIOS and it shows (with no overclocking) DDR at 1 MHz higher than normal and CPU at 2010 MHz, instead of the supposedly stock 2000 MHz.
Could my lockup issues be related to this quirky MHz speed? (OC'ing the PCIe appears to have fixed it). I now understand PCIe was probably running asynchronous to CPU timing the entire time (and still is?) :(
What could cause the slight OC in RAM and CPU? I have all settings on auto for CPU voltage, which hovers around 1.4 (normal from what I see online). Interestingly, all my voltages are being reported as pretty much spot-on except the 12V, which is showing 12.5V consistently.
Any ideas or suggestions? I'd like everything with as tight a timing as possible because I want to make sure this lockup issue NEVER comes back!
Thanks in advance for any advice!
EDIT: (2) 512MB oops. . !

It think it may finally be gone, but I'll have to try tonight and tomorrow to be sure. I played Guild Wars for around 5 hours last night with no lockups.
Here's what I did:
Googled "PC lock up" for some crazy reason, just to see what other ideas were out there. Like 3rd link down brought me to a page where a guy had my exact same issues and same board but an ATI card. He had tried pretty much the same things too. He said he fixed it by updating his AC97 sound card drivers.
At that moment I didn't even know what was actually on my board, but I knew it was a generic card I was probably never going to use anyway, and I didn't recall getting any sound card updates for this board. So I looked in device manager, and bingo: AC97 device under multimedia devices. I immediately did two things to completely eliminate the rascal: updated the driver for it and promptly went to BIOS and disabled the sucker. Also disabled SATA group 2 (slots 3 and 4), the Marvell LAN because I only use one ethernet anyway (the nVidia one, which from what I was reading, was probably the more robust of the two), both RAID controllers (actually I had disabled them earlier to skip the annoying RAID setup screen), and put the PCIe bus back to 100MHz (rogue: I was wondering about possible damage over time with this too high too, so I was glad to try setting it back to normal!) Also ran Driver Cleaner to rip out the detonators even though I was putting in another nVidia, and then put in the 6800GT and installed drivers. (In case you were interested, my 3dMark05 score went from 3511 under the 6600GT to 4939 under the 6800GT! I now run in 1280x1024 at max effects and I'm completely spoiled in one night already! )
Anyway, one of these myriad, desperate attempts must have worked because I get neither audio stutters (should have been a freaking clue in the first place, duh!) nor lock ups.
Since this is the first PC I've built, I was certain I had to have screwed something up hardware-wise or found some combination that had incompatibilities. If it WAS just the freaking sound card driver I'm going to leave this place in shame and never post again! In my defense, the MSI Update utility didn't show any updated sound drivers for me, and I had assumed it was being pre-empted by my SB Live in any case.
I was convinced this problem was (if it is indeed gone) a video card issue but I can't say it ever was without putting the 6600 back in and running for several hours. I'm going to bet it was the AC97 though because nVidia boards have always been fantastic for me, I haven't had any actual motherboard issues, my RAM and CPU are just fine, and Win2k has never let me down.
Don't assume anything, though, I've learned.
One thing to note: when I was checking out the AC97, I noticed it was *sharing* IRQ 20 with the nForce NIC detector (might have a different name, I can't remember right now). Apparently this is a capability of Win2k to share IRQs but it kind of added to my suspicions anyway.
I'll let you know how the next few sessions go and whether this issue is still an issue!

K8N Neo4 Plat (non sli) Device manager error !

guys:
need some help. as stated,, have just received a k8n neo4 plat (non sli). just installed win xp pro (many thanx to people on forum for good tips on coming up clean). i have 1 problem, i have 1 item in device manager banged out (!), its a "PCI Memory Controller. i have nothing on mobo cept 1 6600 gt video card, 1 stick mushkin 3200 dram, i maxtor 200gb sata hard drive. searched on msi's site for this driver and can't find it. any ideas on what i'm missing?? sorry for not having rest of sys specs in sig but just got this puter up and running and i would like to get this driver installed before i pack it in for night. thanx for any help on this one.

igmox:
thanx!!! standalone drivers did the trick. when i was puttin this puter together i downloaded the standalone drivers and extracted them onto a cd. when i booted, anything in device mangler that was banged out, i updated the drivers via the cd. this time i downloaded the standalone drivers, ran the exe (unchecked the ide drivers, since i'm gonna try and run 6 dvd burners) and viola,, driver found.

MSI Neo4 Plat. SLI

MSI Neo4 Plat. SLI
FX-55
Antec 550 True Power
NEC DVD Rom
2GB OCZ Platinum Ram
and a single 7900 GTX
I was browsing some forums last night, and suddenly heard a loud *CRACK* from my computer. ???
The computer froze, but did not turn off.
Attempted a hard boot, and nothing not even a POST responds.
Popped open the content's, to see what might have happened.
And under the edge of my video card I notice that the SLI Switch Card has come loose. The little black plastic thing that was supposed to keep it in place had popped out. I attempted to place it back in to see if this would correct the problem (afraid it will not), but it will not stay securly lodged into place.
Any suggestion's on how to get the SLI Swicth Card Black Pin thing to work, or a work around to it, in order to test the system and see what, if anything else might have blown before I go for an RMA?
Thank you for any help or suggestions.

With regards to the small black pin that holds the SLI card in place, I have to admit that its a very poor design from MSI. I can think of two ways to fix it, and both would require you to strip the mobo down and remove it from the case.
1: would be to build up the "small ball" part of the pin with a blob of glue,(epoxy) so that it cant pop thru the small hole in the mobo.
2: Same idea as the first but using a hot knife or a soldering iron tip to flatten out the "small ball" part of the pin. (BE VERY careful not to over do it).
Best option tho would be to RMA the board.
Its the loud crack that you heard that worries me tho. Was it the physical sound of the SLI bridge card coming out or was it more of an electrical type crack that you heard?
Best thing to do would be to strip back to bare basics and try to go on from there, ie one video card, one memory stick and one H/Drive, Reset the BIOS, and set BIOS to boot from cd and see what happens.
As for getting a new pin from them, I would drop them an email, depending on where you live they might be able to post one to you.

4 dimms in Neo4 Plat. only runs at DDR333, but Venice should fix that?

Now that I've added 2x256MB to my setup to get 1,5GB for Battlefield 2 and all 4 banks are filled, I can get neither the timings nor the frequency as high as I used to.
Before with 2 banks: 2-2-2-5 1T @ 205MHz
Now with 4 banks: well, all maxed out won't even get me past 193MHz.
The manual says that with 4 dimms it can only run at DDR333, that much I know.
But that was a processor limitation wasn'it? So with my Venice' suped up memory controller it should work, right?

OK let's bust a big misconception. It is a limit that an A64 can run up to 4 banks of RAM at DDR400 and over 4 banks at DDR333.
Sides do not equal banks. You can have a single sided DIMM that is 2 bank and even a Double sided DIMM that is one bank. You have to determine the number of Banks a Dimm has by the makers specs. Looking at how many sides a Dimm has is not always going to get the job done. Yes in some cases and maybe most you could be correct but you have to be sure and the only way to do this is to check with the makers to get their specs.

I/O Shield Needed-K8N Neo4 Plat./SLI

Does anyone know where I can get a I/O(back panel) shield for an MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI motherboard? I bought it off of ebay with all the accessories except the shield and I really need this so I can put this mobo in my case. If anyone has one that they are willing to sell,or know where I can get one, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I contacted MSI Technical Support already and this is what they said With regard to what you concern, we would suggest you contact the reseller (the place you bought the board from) and have them help? Or you can also contact the MSI™ Distributor here, http://www.msi.com.tw/program/about/w2b/index.phpor MSI™ office near your place here, http://www.msi.com.tw/html/about/contact2.htm. But when I go to those links, I lost about what to do after that. Any help?

MSI neo4 plat(non sli) sound problem.... and other problem...

hi
(sorry for my poor english)
FIRST ISSUE
ok here is the deal, i got no sound when using the rear panel of the mother board... but when i use the front panel of my case there no problem and i get sound....
after reading a lot on sound problem i try first to change my bios so i check the 1.8 and the 1.6 but still no result... , i also try to use the nvidia sound drive instead of the raitek one.... but still nothing ... in the system all appeare to be ok, windows dont detect any conflict on hardware on so one... even the nvidia mixer equaliser move... but no output...
i also read a litle about the compatibylity issue betwen the mobo and the atx2 PSU standard with the using of the 5v pin...,but as far i read it seem that this is only on the sli version...do this issue also concernt the non sli version ?can this explain my problem ?
SECOND
i got from time to time a bleu screem with the message DRIVER IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL.... can someone now what can cause this ?
thank

Hi!
I am also facing this problem with my K8N NEO4 Platinum Ultra.
I have even tested my PC with a PSU which is having -5v in it's rating.
I have also requested a help from MSI Support.
Their & My reply is as follows.
But still my problem could not be solved. My sound card as per the OS works fine and produces output. But no audible output for humans to hear.
This is the case with both front and rear panels.
I have even sent the MB for RMA but here in India, people are fools. Even from RMA the board was shipped back in the same faulty condition. What to say? Whom to curse? Only money and 20days were spent waiting for repair and in wain.
If any body can help it will be very nice.
Here is my reply to MSI:
My K8n Neo4 Platinum Ultra - earlier was giving good quality sound output. Later after 15 days of using this board, it does not give any audible sound at all. But through headphone socket of cd player I am able to receive good quality sound.
And also while using CD Player to play audio tracks, the output is very intermitent and feeble with lots of cracking noise and poor quality audio is heard.
Through Windows Media Player no sound is heard at all.
I reinstalled win2000/Win2000Server/Win2003 XP Server. In all the platform sound problem exists. Any solutions?
My PSU has 20amps in +12V rail and has no -5v. 24 pin adaptor with 400W.
SATA HDD 80GB WD. 256*2=512mb DDR 400 Ram.
CPU AMD 3000+ Winchester core.
Thanks in advance.
REPLY FROM MSI:
Dear SoftWheels:
Thank you for contacting MSI Technical Support.
With regard to yoru concern, we would like to know before the onboard sound function abnormally, if you have made any adjustment to your system hardware or software?
And at this time would you please try to un-install the sound driver in the Add or Remove Program, then install the ALC Series AC'97 Audio Drivers refer to the link below, after this please first check if in Device Manager there is any yellow mark.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_detail.php?UID=637&kind=1.
AGAIN MY RESPONSE TO MSI:
Dear Sir,
Thanks for your reply. But reply does not solve my problem. I have tried all that you said in your reply.
I have done nothing to hardware. No electrical problems or burning.
Due to no sound, I have even totally zero filled my SATA hard disk, updated bios, re-installed

K8N Neo4 Plat. SLI - no northbridge temperature/noisy

Hi all
I just bought a PC with this board & have noticed the chipset fan is very noisy. In core center it runs at over 7000 rpm min. I am getting no temperature reading in core center or speedfan (which may be why the northbridge fan is running so quick?). Has anyone else observed this? Is this a bios or hardware problem (is my board faulty)?
thanks to anyone who can answer

This seems to be fairly common on all Nforce4 Mobos - and certainly my MSI! 7000rpm and quite loud in my case, but quietened by using a Zalman Fanmate 2 (Fanmate 2 more versatile than Fanmate1). MSI tech help told me I "might need to update my BIOS", but I haven't done so, and don't think it helps, from what I've seen on other threads. You can use Motherboard MOnitor and Speedfan to read fan RPM, but I too haven't got a temp reading!
I'd love to think MSI might like to calm the little fan down a little in a future BIOS update, but don't know how likely that is!
So, no, your board isn't faulty - or at least not more faulty than all the others
I believe that the Gigabyte nForce4 is passively cooled, and quiet - also has digital audio in and out; that would suit me fine, but I know little else about thi Gigabyte board - yet!

K8N Neo4 Plat and 3500+ venice?

I have searched this but am more confused now than before. I am thinking of upgrading to the 3500+ venice with a K8N Neo4 Plat or sli is this a good combo.Tiger Direct has the Plat. and the SLI for the same price $149. Does this cpu work better with one or the other board?

i have the sli/plat and the 3500+ venice and it seems to work well with the 3.4 bios dont know about the plat but its basically the same. just my input

K8N Neo4 Plat. boot delay with Canon MP390

Hi everyone!
My problem is the following:
My K8N Neo4 Plat. based computer got a huge delay (5mins!) on POST at boot (right after CPU name listing) when my Canon MP390 multifuntion USB printer is connected. I already know its caused by a conflict between the printer's card reader and the mobo, something maybe related to the mobo trying to boot on the card reader. Could be something else, but for now that's the only explanation i could find.
I red all post here concerning USB boot problems (or delays) and tried everything i could and red without results
Things that have been done (and much more!) :
- Flashed to latest v1.5 BIOS
- Disabled booting to other devices in BIOS leaving only floppy, cdrom and HD as bootable devices
- Disabled support for USB KB/storage devices in BIOS
- Unplugged Mitsumi floppy/cardreader combo drive (USB internal)
- Unplugged front panel USB and D-Bracket2
- 2 days of various tests with other computers, printers, psu, USB devices I had in store
I'm about to give up on this one! .. Anyone got ideas other than buying a new multifuntion printer? Could it be a defective mobo?
Thanks!
Rivendell
Computer specs are:
Athlon64 4000+, MSI K8N Neo4 Plat.
2x512MB PC3200 (OCZ 1GB KIT PN: OCZ4001024PDC-K)
Sapphire X850XT PCI-E 256MB, WD Raptor 74GB SATA
Thermaltake Silent Power 480w PSU, NEC 16X DVD-+RW
Mitsumi floppy/cardreader combo drive (unplugged for testing purpose)

It might be related with BIOS. The BIOS 1.65 seems to resolve the quick boot issue. You can get it from MSI to try it.

MOVED: K89 NEO4 PLAT/SLI Do I have to send it back?

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K89 NEO4 PLAT/SLI Do I have to send it back?

No worries.
As for the Bios flash all you need to do with a newer core top get it to come up for posting or Bios Adjustments/Flashing is to use a single Stick of RAM. That forces the CPU's Memory Controller into single channel and that will get it done. If you try to post in dual channel with older Bios's that do not fully support a newer chip it will lock and you need then just to remove all RAM except from Slot 1 and reset the Bios as per your user manual.
No worries as it is not as hard as it sounds.

MOVED: MSI K8T Neo2-FIR w/ AMD Athlon64 3000 (Venice)

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MSI K8T Neo2-FIR w/ AMD Athlon64 3000 (Venice)

Quote from: Ui30 on 08-June-05, 16:36:37
The Venice core will be supported by the K8T neo2 shortly, I'm convinced about that, since Asus (I'm sorry to mention them) are supporting it already, with the same bios.
Even ECS published Venice-ready BIOS updates...
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My advice: just wait a few weeks.
Yepp.
btw: MSI Korea published BIOS 9.14, see http://www.msi-korea.co.kr/program/support/support_dld_detail.php?part=1&serials=61
Michael

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Neo4 Plat/SLI + Winnie.. Is MSI a respectable company? How can I trust them now?

It seems strange that after you simply swapped a heatsink that your mobo blanked out.
Fiirst, you should check to see if your power supply is still working.
Second, if you psu is working, you need to go to the simpliest setup....1 vid card, 1 hard drive, 1 floppy, 1 stick of ram, etc and see if you can boot...just my 2 cents.

Neo4 Plat Wont recognize any keyboard!

Just put my computer together
msi neo4 plat
1 gig(2x512) pc4400 mushkin
ati x800xl
audigy2 zs
AMD 3200+ Venice
OCZ power stream 520
It boots but it gets stuck on the the "hit del to enter bios" screen. Only thing is it wont recognize any keyboard i hook up to it, usb or serial.
This is my first msi board, decided to go with it over what i usually get, asus, so far im pretty disapointed.
Is this board faulty?
HELP PLZ!

Quote from: delirious? on 16-June-05, 15:51:22
took it out and reset bios. still nothing.
This thing wont even make it past the "platinum" screen. If i reset the bios sometimes it will make it to post but it still need to get into bios and without a keyboard im sol.
really thinking about returning this thing and getting something else thats not msi.
I had about the same issue with my platinum neo4. It had the battery at 2.2V (measured) and the bios showed 1.2V for the battery.
I wasn't able to save bios settings (blank screen when I did) and returned it to the shop. They're still investigating and probably give me some feedback tomorrow. I still want the same MSI board because it ran very smooth for about a week and hope this issue will be solved somehow.

Max stable CPU voltage supported by K8n Neo4 Plat.?

My vcore voltage fluctuates between 1.44v and 1.50v. In the bios I have 1.42+6.6%(see my sig). I have ran prime 95 for 24h stable, but recently I tried OCCT(a french program). The first test ran for 30min OK, the torture test froze my computer within an hour or two. My question is what is Max stable CPU voltage supported by K8n Neo4 Plat.?Because obviously when the mobo drops it to 1.44 it IS NOT ENOUGH. Difference of .06v obviously is critical for the stability. Anyway it should be 1.425+6.6%=1.519 which is nowhere near 1.44. I currently run at 36-38C idle and 45C under load. Is it a bios problem? I use 1.6 bios and I don't have any problems whatsoever.
Any opinions appreciated.
BTW tried to raise the mobo voltage at 1.55(1.50 default) but seems that there is no difference.
BIOS shows my voltages as follows:
+3.3v=3.12 to 3.15 mostly stays at 3.14 pc wizard shows 3.14, core center shows 3.22
+5.5v=4.96 to 4.99
+12v =11.96 to 12.22 core center shows 11.96, pc wizard shows 12.22

Quote from: gerasimatos on 30-September-05, 09:17:54
dont blame MSI for your financial situations. If you could afford the proper hardware then you wouldnt need to overclock and such. JMO.
I can afford the proper hardware. In fact, I bought a DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI DR to replace the defective K8N Neo4 SLI board.
As soon as the new K8N board comes back from RMA, I figure to sell it - say half off. I think for something that may or may not work as advertised, half price is fair.
And speaking of processors, these Venice chips are really phenomenal - they're just like (or maybe even better than) the good old XP1700 JIUHB chips. I still have one of those - and strangely enough, it's still running - in an MSI K7T Turbo 2 board (KT133A). That JIUHB served me well - it'd do a 500MHz overclock with no strain at all. If I had water cooling, I bet I coulda got 1 GHz out of it.
The two Venice 3200 processors I have both seem to be really good overclockers. The one that was in the rig I RMA'd is the best - right now in the new Lanparty board, I've got it running at 2.5 GHz (1:1 @ 250 MHz) with about 1.55 volts. It's idling at about 30c and only runs at about 44c under load - and the AS5 hasn't even cured yet!
That chip is gonna be one helluva overclocker!
I'll let it run at 2.5 GHz for another week or so till the AS5 has cured, then I'll see just how far I can go (without the temps getting too high). The way it's gone from this point, I think 2.7 GHz is very reasonable for a goal.
And as I think newbie222 pointed out, as long as the temps are kept reasonable, there is no actual risk to the processor.
The point I was making is that with my old, defective K8N, that would not have been possible - BECAUSE THE BOARD WAS DEFECTIVE. It was defective because the vcore did not operate up to spec (wouldn't go as high as it was advertised to) and because of the voltage fluctuations.
How would you feel if you bought a new car that was advertised as getting 24 MPG highway and it only got 17 MPG? Or if you ordered Comcast's 8 Mb/s downstream Gold Tier and only got 6 Mb/s downstream? Or if you ordered a 102 channel cable package that turned out to only have 88 channels?
It's all the same exact, precise thing.
If MSI advertises you can get a vcore of 1.7> volts then you fer damned sure better be able to get it.
The main reason people buy boards like the K8N is to overclock - it's the "enthusiast" community that the board is targeted to.
I find it hard to believe anyone would even want to buy one of these boards and not overclock. What's the point? If all someone wants is something that will run at stock speeds, then they oughta save a few bucks and buy a Dell or whatever.

MOVED: Athlon64 3200+ Venice on Neo4 Plat (no SLI) showing +10MHz but no OC

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