Notation and chord symbols

I use the notation part of logic a lot and have can't get chord symbols to line up and take the space they need when there are no actual notes within that bar. So for example I want to print a chord sheet along with a stave but no notation. Logic places the chords in such a way as to be confusing and messy to the reader. Is there a trick? There usually is. Thanks

Hi
One solution could be to adjust the "max. number of bars per line" (in Page view):
Settings:Score:Global
Alternatively, you could use the Layout Tool to shuffle bars around to make some space, again in Page View
HTH
CCT

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.. I totally sympathise with your frustrations. In L7 the system was much simpler and intuitive. See further comments on this very subject:
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John Bertram wrote:
Question 2):
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