Number convention for Secondary cost element

Hi,
Anyone can guide me how to check the number convention for secondary cost element being set up in SAP?
thank you

Hi,
The best way so far i have experienced is:
Start the numbering with two digits from your company code and then cost element category and then the numerics. If you have too many Cost elements, better to have 10 Digit numbering system.
Assumption: You have multiple company codes
For Example you company code is TP01
Activity Type Cost element:
TP43000001 - Labour Hours
TP43000002 - Machine hours
and so on
This is easy for identifying either from the consultant point of view of the end user point of view
Best Regards
Surya

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I am not sure if i understand your scenario. However, if you want to control the settlement to Cost Center on Cost Elements, you can use the Source Structure which will be assigned in the settlement parameters for the Production Order.
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check this might help you..
Tables to be refered for secondary cost element.
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After running KSU5 (cost centre settlement, we have small balance in secondary balance. Could you please advise how we can post entries between secondary cost element.
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Hi Ashok,
some important Costing tables
COEP - Line Items (by Period)
COEJ - Line Items (by Fiscal year
COKA - Control Data for Cost center wise
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Dear SAP consultant
After run settlement cycles we going to display reports for secondary
cost elements but it is return zero balance, i know that when i am trying
to drill down it will get the whole data. but it is not practical because
the huge amount of data that transferred to this report. In the other
hand it will display the data with +/- sign which is not be helpful.
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Edited by: Rob Burbank on Jan 12, 2011 4:12 PM

hi
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I have a doubt in CO-PA, regarding the flow of secondary cost element costs.
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Please define a group for Secondary cost elements or identify the secondary cost elements and define an Assesment cycle using KUU5 in that go to Extras-Cycles-Create and define the cycle and attach segment in cycle with appropriate sender and receivers and then execute the cycle to see the values flown into COPA
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Go to T.code : S_SL0_21000007 and,
Go to bellow link
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/PLM/SettlementandCostElementReports
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/a9/ab76ce414111d182b10000e829fbfe/content.htm
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Secondory cost is a re allocation of Primary cost. It should not be considered if you are considering primary cost. Secondary cost is used for analysis and should not be confused with Primary cost
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Secondary cost element........

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Is it necessary to create number of activities = to number of secondary cost element.
or
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Dear,
Secondary Cost Element
When cost element carries cost with in CO, then they are called secondary cost element.
Example.... - Take Product Costing
On manufacture of the goods the cost of the above product (production order) is arrived at accumulating material cost + operational cost + overheads (%), additive cost if any.
The cost of operation is accumulated in cost centre be it production / production service / service cost centres, while booking FI entries.
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In CO the production order and cost centre are co object including but not limited to.
and further notes and configs see below link.
http://www.copacustomhelp.state.pa.us/infopak/nav/finance/controlling/301/index.htm
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DISTRIBUTION =========== Distribution was created for transfer primary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During distribution, only cost centers or business process can be used as sender. A distribution receiver can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary Postings (such as, energy costs) are collected on a cost center, and allocated at the end of the period by means of the user-defined key. You can only distribute primary costs. During this process, the original cost element remains the same. Line items are posted for the sender as well as for the receiver, enabling the allocation to be recorded exactly. You can reverse distributions as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. PERIODIC REPOSTING ================= Differences between periodic reposting and distribution are due to information content and performance. For periodic reposting, no separate credit record is written on the sender for the cost element in the summary report. Instead, the totals record for the cost element is reduced on the debit side, which means that the original debit amount can no longer be checked there (u201Cunclean creditu201D). However, during distribution, the system writes a totals record for the credit (u201Cclean creditu201D). The information on the receiver is the same for periodic reposting and distribution (u201Cclean debitu201D). Compared with periodic reposting, during distribution, the system also updates the partner in the totals record for the sender. This means that the partner can be displayed in the information system on the totals record level. As fewer totals records are written during periodic reposting, performance is better than during distribution. ASSESSMENT =========== Assessment was created to transfer primary and secondary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During assessment, cost center or business processes can be used as senders. The receivers for an assessment can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary and secondary posting are allocated at the end of the period by the user-defined key. During assessment, the original cost elements are summarized into assessment cost elements (secondary cost element category = 42). As the system writes fewer total records, the assessment has a better performance than periodic reposting and distribution. The system does not display the original cost elements in the receivers. Therefore, assessment is useful if the cost drilldown for the receiver is not important. Similar to distribution, the partner is updated in the totals record during distribution You can reverse assessments as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. Regards, Ravi

Actual cost splitting - secondary cost element

Hi All,
My knowledge on actual cost splitting for cost centers are limited.
Basically i am trying to use actual activity price calculation. In my splitting structure i have two different cost element group for two activities and i am using splitting rule 30 i.e., activity quantity. The system does the splitting perfectly based on the cost elements groups specified in splitting structure, but i am facing a strange problem. i have also allocated costs from different cost center to the prod cost center used for price calculation through assessment. But i havent used the secondary cost element in none of the cost element group for activities, but still the system is taking the cost of the allocated costs in secordary cost elements and allocates to both the activities in 50:50, which i am able to see in splitting showing as "division of activity-independed actual costs".
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Portion of http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/5b/d2200743c611d182b30000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
".....the actual costs are distributed on the activity types according to splitting rules. If you have not defined any splitting rules for a cost center, the R/3 System splits actual costs based on the <b>equivalence numbers</b> for the activity types. "
Your case could construed to be a missing splitting rule, because the cost element group is missing the secondary cost element within the splitting structure. As a result, the system may use the equivalence number of the activity types and distribute.
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Hi Mohit,
I hope you can have line item report @ order and WBS element stright away...
for orders use: KOB1 transaction code for actual line items, where you have the facility of entering CE or CE group to find the vaues related to particular cost elements in the order. If you are flexible with CEs related to 21, give there otherwise create a CE group specific to 21 category and enter the group and find the results you want.
same way for WBS elements/projects: we have transaction code CJI3 for actual line items, here also we can enter CE or CE groups
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