Overclocking Guide

Overclocking Guide
Disclaimer: Overclock at your own risk!
Data and information provided in this guide are for informational and educational purposes only, and are not intended for trading purposes. Neither MSI nor any of this thread’s authors shall be liable for any errors or delays in the content or be held responsible for any damage caused by modifying or overclocking your computer. Manufacturers may or may not honor the warranty on any overclocked or modified computer components. Perform any modifications to your systems at your own risk.
Why Overclock?
Today, overclocking is not any secret. It has become more popular and almost become an addiction to some people. The definition of Overclocking is simple: it means operating an Integrated Circuit beyond its specified clock speed.
But why overclock? Some people say to get more out for the same money. “It’s there; why not get more out of it?” However, the best business reason for overclocking is that it can make “out of date” equipments useful again. If the equipment is already out of warranty, the risk is very limited. (I personally suggest any beginners to overclock any out of date PC first just to have some first time experience.)
Know more about the Central Processing Unit (CPU)
Processor speed is based on two factors. The first is the interface between the motherboard and the front side bus (FSB). From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), FSB is the speed at which the CPU communicates with RAM (memory). Many system components - including the PCI and AGP buses usually run at speeds derived from the frontside bus' speed. In general, a faster frontside bus means higher processing speeds and a faster computer. The other factor controlling a CPU's speed is the clock multiplier. It defines the ratio of processor speed to the FSB.
The FSB on new processors ranges from 400 MHz to 800 MHz. These are not straight clock speeds but instead they are quad-clocked speeds. These processors actually transmit data four times per clock cycle, for example, 800 MHz FSB is actually four times the 200MHz clock (200 MHz x 4 = 800 MHz).
The core speed of the CPU is the product of the front side bus clock and the multiplier. A processor running at 3600MHz (i.e. 3.6 GHz) might be having 800 MHz FSB, this means there is a clock multiplier setting of 4, and thus the CPU is set to run at 4 times the MHz speed of the front side bus.
But we said earlier that they are quad-clocked speeds, so 3600 MHz actually came from 18 times 200 MHz (200 MHz x 18 = 3600 MHz).
Please note that not all processors have quad-clocked speed FSB. For example, the Intel Pentium 4 (Northwood core) has quad-clocked speed FSB. But for example, the Intel Pentium III, AMD Athlon XP and AMD Duron have dual-clocked speed FSB only.
To know more, please read:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2178
Let’s lock the clock multiplier
Few years ago, you could overclock processors by choosing a higher multiplier. This option was eliminated in order to fight CPU remarking. Counterfeit processors have regularly appeared in the market, as the CPU speed was only defined by your setting. Nowadays, the restriction to only one multiplier is both of overclocking and counterfeit prevention.
As you can see, the only way of overclocking today is choosing a higher front side bus clock and the offer of small increments e.g. 1MHz in today's motherboards give us a great advantage in overclocking.
However, some CPUs nowadays are still unlocked, for example, the AMD Athlon MP and AMD Athlon64 families. And some motherboard companies offer the chance to unlock the Pentium 4 (Socket 775 CPUs only) overclocking potential by using special bios, for more please read:
http://www20.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040916/index.html
Look at your motherboard
Before you overclock anything, have a look if your motherboard can overclock CPU. Look at the CPU installation section in the motherboard manual. Normally you will find either BIOS setup options or jumpers on the motherboard that allow you to adjust the FSB, CPU voltage, PCI/AGP ratio etc.
If you have a computer that came from a major manufacturer like HP, it is likely that your motherboard does not provide any overclocking function although it is very rare nowadays.
You need more Power!
This is also the time to check the power supply in your computer. Like a car, speed requires power, and unstable power inevitably leads to unstable processors, so I would recommend the power supply has to be at least 350 Watts. You can find six power supply guides in this forum below:
A Power Supply Guide
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Powersupplies(Written by Bas)
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Choosing The Right Power Supply
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Powersupply calculation....
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http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/articles/guides/Power_Supply_Guide_1.html
Both Intel and AMD processors are power hungry, consuming 40 to 100 watts (e.g. the new Prescott) of power. Also, your graphics card may take another 55 watts of power. Now you are consuming more than 100 watts of power for merely two components in your system.
You can also voltmod your Power Supply Unit, for more please read:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/psu-voltmodding.html
Using higher voltages
Today, almost each processor can be run faster than the speed it was labeled for. This applies even more if you raise the core voltage a little bit. This is just like a car running at higher speed requires more power. But this is one of the “riskiest” aspects of overclocking - by using too much power you could burn your CPU. You should always raise the voltage step by step and never go higher than 15% beyond the specification. This way it is quite easy to get a faster system without risking the processor. Apart from raising the voltage of the CPU, similarly you can raise the voltage of memory as well. One problem is of course the increasing chip temperature, so cooling is very important. We will cover that later.
Memory Speed
Memory speed is often tied to the FSB. For example, a Double Data Rate (DDR) 400 memory has frequency 200MHz and the module rating is PC3200. Half the performance increase you may see from overclocking a CPU comes from increasing the speed at which the processor can talk to the memory.
When you buy memory, you may see it has label 2-3-3-7-1T. And you may also hear people saying my memory is a 2-3-3-7 one. But what does it mean? The answer is:
CAS Latency = 2 clock cycles
tRCD = RAS to CAS delay = 3 clock cycles
tRP = RAS Precharge = 3 clock cycles
tRAS = Active to Precharge = 7 clock cycles
Command Rate = 1 clock cycle
Different motherboards may call the above differently and not all of them will appear in the BIOS. You may need to check with your motherboard’s support team and the motherboard manual. If you have any option above in your BIOS, you can also start to adjust them. Obviously, the smaller the number the faster the memory will be.
To know more about memory please read:
http://www.corsairmicro.com/corsair/products/tech/memory_basics/153707/index.html
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Memory Roundup
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http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2223
Video Card
To overclock video card, we need a third party utility to overclock the card. Although increasing numbers of manufacturers include utilities to allow customers to overclock their cards in their drivers or through an extra application, most of them do not provide this facility. Simply because overclocking stresses the system and voids manufacturer warranties. Third party utilities tend to be universal that they work on different cards irrespective of manufacturers.
Some utilities and the places to download included:
1. OMEGA Drivers
http://www.omegacorner.com/
2. StarStorm Drivers (Nvidia cards only)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=10
3. RivaTuner
http://www.guru3d.com/
4. PowerStrip
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/
5. Rage3D Tweak (ATI cards only)
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak
6. RadLinker (ATI cards only)
http://www28.brinkster.com/chrisww1942/
7. ATITool (ATI cards only)
http://atitool.ocfaq.com/
Please read their own manuals in their corresponding web pages. Also, if you want to be able to have the hidden functions in Nvidia card, create a file with notepad and put this in it (thanks for Deathstalker to provide this source):
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak]
"Coolbits"=dword:ffffffff
"NvCplEnableHardwarePage"=dword:00000001
"NvCplEnableAGPSettingsPage"=dword:00000001
Save it as agpsetting.reg to your desktop or anywhere you like. Then run it and it will give you all the hidden options from Nvidia which include extra resolution settings for your desktop and overclocking for both the memory and core.
For ATI Radeon X800 Pro softmod, please read (link provided by mopey):
http://www.ocforums.com/showindex.php?t=312063
For ATI Radeon X800 Pro voltage mod, please read (link provided by NovJoe):
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=817&s=1
For ATI Radeon 9800 XT voltage mod, please read (link provided by NovJoe):
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=760&s=1
To can change your Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB graphic card to Radeon 9800XT card, please read (in English):
http://www.rojakpot.com/(jiljtv55hwgq5uabzft0f5re)/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=0
To change your GeForceFX 5900 graphic card to GeForceFX 5900 Ultra, please read (in Traditional Chinese):
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0403/readocarticle.asp?id=2410
To change your GeForceFX 5700 Ultra graphic card to QuadroFX 1100, please read (in Traditional Chinese):
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0403/readiyarticle.asp?id=2387
Get the temperature down
Cooling is probably the most important aspect of overclocking. Overclocking causes circuits to cycle faster, generating more heat. If the CPU is not cooled properly, your CPU will not run reliably and there is a very good chance that you will permanently damage your CPU.
The heat sink and fan unit that Intel and AMD ship with its CPU are fairy good. However, for maximum stability, we need to get something better than that. For example, for CPU fans, we have Vantec Tornado, Thermaltake volcano 7+, CoolerMaster Aero 4 and Zalman CNPS7000A-AlCu etc.
Be sure that the cooling solution you choose is specifically designed for your processor. Improperly mounting a heat sink, using the wrong model can damage your processor.
Also, the airflow in the case is very important. If heat cannot escape the case, the CPU is still at risk. Thus, more case fans are needed apart from the power supply's exhaust fan. Tidying up the cables inside the case can help too. In addition, clearing the dust in the case by using canned compressed air can enhance the airflow but never use vacuum cleaner as it may generate electrostatic and harm the IC components.
For more about cooling, you can also read these:
http://www.antec-inc.com/pdf/article/info_DIYArticle3.html
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http://www.antec-inc.com/pdf/article/info_DIYArticle2.html
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Cooling guide(Written by J*A*G)
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http://www.community.tomshardware.com/forum/postlist.m?Cat=&Board=over_cooling
For more about CPU fan, please read:
BEST Overclockers CPU cooler????
For more about Water Cooling, please read:
Water cooling...
Keep the Noise Down
Unless your computer is cooled by a water cooling system, it will be pretty noisy. To keep the noise down, please read this:
http://www.antec-inc.com/pdf/article/info_DIYArticle_quiet_computing.html
Overclocking Process
Essentially, overclocking processors consists of increasing the FSB in the BIOS, booting the computer, and then testing for stability. You repeat the process until you identify the maximum stable speed.
In case your board offer 1 MHz-increments (which most of your boards do), you have the chance to find out the maximum clock speed by slowly closing in on the final limit MHz for MHz. Of course this cannot be done in an hour, but you will have to spend one or two days just playing with different clock speed settings. In the end you should have your CPU running at the highest possible core speed. The Most important thing to remember is that you must go Slowly!
Also, you can overclock the processor by using software although it may not be as effective as overclocking using the motherboard BIOS. Such software includes:
1. ClockGen
http://www.cpuid.com/
2. CPUFSB
http://mitglied.lycos.de/podien/
3. 8rdavcore
http://www.hasw.net/8rdavcore/
Here is a thread that talks about overclocking an Intel Pentium 4 2.4cGHz to 3.0GHz using Intel 865PE chipsets. (You may treat it as an example of overclocking.):
Best 865PE Overclock for 2.4C to 3.0+
Changing the FSB is a relatively simple matter of entering the computer's BIOS setup screen, switching from automatic to manual configuration and selecting the FSB speed you want. Here are some utilities that you can check your computer’s setting, especially CPU speed:
1. CPU-Z
http://www.cpuid.com
2. WCPUID (Linux supported)
http://www.h-oda.com
3. AIDA32
http://www.aida32.hu/aida32.php
http://aumha.org/freeware.htm
4. PC Wizard
http://www.cpuid.com/
5. EVEREST
http://www.lavalys.com/
6. Motherboard Monitor
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
7. HWiNFO and HWiNFO32
http://www.hwinfo.com/
8. SpeedFan
http://www.almico.com/
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
9. Motherboard Monitor
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download.html
10. Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility (Intel CPU only)
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/tools/frequencyid/
11. AMD CPU Information Display Utility (AMD CPU only)
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871,00.html
For more, you can go to the following to have a browse:
http://www.3degs.net/
Bear in mind that if the processor is capable of a 20-percent or more speed increase say, it is unlikely that your video card or memory can have the same amount of increase. And the one thing that you must remember to do if you overclock the FSB is to Set (i.e. Lock) your AGP/PCI Buses, to as close to their Default Frequencies as Possible (to PCI bus at 33 MHz and the AGP port at 66 MHz for example), or you will most definitely experience problems across the whole board e.g. your graphics card, onboard sound and IDE channels may start giving you data and other errors.
Test for Stability and Benchmarking
The purpose of testing is to apply a heavy workload to every aspect of your system to ensure that there are no hidden problems and stability issue. You can do testing by using special testing suites, software and games. The aim of benchmarking is to measure the performance of your system. In overclocking, benchmarking can tell you how far the system’s performance has increased when you adjust certain settings.
For a test suite, you may try Winbench, which you can download from:
http://www.etestinglabs.com/benchmarks/winbench/winbench.asp
Special software for testing and benchmarking included:
1. CPU Burn (Linux supported)
http://users.bigpond.net.au/cpuburn/
2. PCMark 04
http://www.futuremark.com/
3. Aquamark 3
http://www.aquamark3.com/
4. SiSoftware Sandra Standard 2004
http://www.sisoftware.net/
5. Prime95 (Linux supported)
http://www.mersenne.org/
(For more about Prime95, please read: how to use prime 95 properly)
6. Memtest86 (Linux supported)
http://www.memtest86.com/
7. Memtest86+ (Linux supported)
http://www.memtest.org/
8. Super PI (Linux supported)
http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/Pi/Super_Pi.html (Windows version)
http://ftp://pi.super-computing.org/Linux/super_pi.tar.gz (Linux version)
9. ScienceMark
http://www.sciencemark.org/
10. SETI @home (Linux supported)
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
For testing video card, you can run Games like Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament demo mode and left running in loops. You should be able to run a game in a loop for at least two hours after a reboot without a problem. Also, you can use 3DMark05 from FUTUREMARK (download from http://www.futuremark.com/).
1. Unreal Tournament (Linux supported)
http://www.unrealtournament.com/
2. Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (Linux supported)
http://games.activision.com/games/wolfenstein/
3. Quake (Linux supported)
http://www.idsoftware.com/games/quake/
4. Call Of Duty
http://www.callofduty.com/index.asp
5. X2 - The Thread
http://www.egosoft.com/
6. Colin McRae Rally 4
http://www.codemasters.co.uk/colinmcraerally04/uk/colinmcraerally04.php
7. Nascar Thunder 2004
http://www.easports.com/games/thunder2004/home.jsp
8. Halo
http://www.microsoft.com/games/halo/
9. Farcry
http://www.farcry.ubi.com/
10. Half-Life
http://games.sierra.com/games/half-life/
11. Doom 3 (Linux supported)
http://www.doom3.com/
Tips: The benchmark can be performed by using “demo1” which ships with Doom 3. Open the console (Windows: Ctrl+Alt+~; Linux: ~) and type “timedemo demo1”.
12. Battlefield Vietnam
http://www.eagames.com/official/battlefield/vietnam/us/home.jsp
13. Serious Sam
http://www.serioussam.com/
14. Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness
http://www.tombraider.com/
15. Halo
http://www.bungie.net/
16. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
http://www.splintercell.com/
Conclusion
I suggest you to read this guide one more time before you overclock to make sure that you have not missed anything. Wish you have a good overclocking experience, have fun!   Here is also another guide to make your have a Happier and Healthier System:
http://www.antec-inc.com/pdf/article/info_DIYArticle4.html
The following teaches you how to change an AMD Athlon XP 1700+ to an Athlon MP 1700+ (in Traditional Chinese):
http://www.oc.com.tw/article/0304/readocarticle.asp?id=1390
Also, for a Step By Step Overclocking Guide and other overclocking guides, you can go to:
1. General overclocking tips
2. more overclocking help
3. Hardware & Overclocking FAQ in bit-tech
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showindex.php?t=51323
4. Overclocking Guide in OC Forums
http://www.ocforums.com/showindex.php?t=263753
5. Link Guide for anyone new to Overclocking in PC Perspective
http://forums.pcper.com/showindex.php?t=173635
6. Overclocking Guide in Help Overclocking
http://www.helpoverclocking.com/english/index.htm
7. AMD Optimal BIOS settings + Overclocking Guide
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=gethowto&howtoID=43
8. Tom's Hardware CPU Overclocking Forum (contains a few overclocking guides)
http://www.community.tomshardware.com/forum/postlist.m?Cat=&Board=over_cpu (for CPU)
9. Tom's Hardware Graphic Cards Overclocking Forum (contains a few overclocking guides)
http://www.community.tomshardware.com/forum/postlist.m?Cat=&Board=over_graphics (for Graphic Cards)
For a guide on Modding Tools, please read:
Modding Tools
Please post any comment and/or suggestion as well as dead link of this guide (Version 1.49) at the following thread:
Overclocking Guide Suggestion/Comment
I would like to thank for the help and support from Bas and Wonkanoby as well as advice from Raven_, Slimbooyphat and The Fellow in setting up this guide.

Quote from: ferohh on 01-March-05, 04:39:20
I tried to overclock my p4. 2,66ghz to 3.18ghz.
l increased the cpu fsb only since the multiplier is fixed at 20x.
l tried to change it but couldn´t.
l then increased my cpu voltage from 1.525v to 1.732v.
At 3.2ghz, the computer was on and restarts automatically, so l turned it to 3.18ghz.
does it mean the cpu will not overclock further or l need a new cooler?
I did not overclock anything except the fsb.
any help?
I have a 2.6C Northwood pentium 4 on an MSI 875P Neo2-FISR mobo.  On air I'm able to get it to about 3.14Ghz stable.  I don't believe it's a good idea to go past 1.6 for the voltage, from what I've read, voltage doesn't help too much with the northwoods.
I can overclock mine higher without any significant changes in temperatures, but the overclocks aren't stable and the system freezes up from time to time.  I'm using Kingston HyperX PC4000 DDR, which can run at up to 500mhz, so I can do a 1:1 ratio on the overclock.  I'm using a modular 500-watt power supply, Arctic Silver 5 and a huge honking Swiftech heatsink with an 80mm fan.

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    Purchasing:
    For anyone who happens to stumble across this guide while in the process of looking for some new hardware, I thought I'd list some of the things that are important considerations when you are buying a system with the intent of overclocking it.
    The CPU - For most people, the main point behind their desire to overclock is that they want to be able to get a cheap CPU, and then run it at the same speed (or faster than) of a CPU that costs much more (possibly one for which the price premium has not come down on yet).  When choosing which CPU to purchase, there are a few aspects that are especially relevant to overclocking (I'm going to assume that you've already decided to use an AMD CPU, due to the reduced overclockability, thermal problems, and generally poorer performance in most areas despite having higher raw clock speeds that all of Intel's current P4 models offer).  Arguably the most important feature (when looking at the current Athlon64's anyways, which are very good CPU's and which you have to use if you want the Neo4) is the manufacturing process used.  This denotes the size of the smallest individual feature on the chip (smaller is better).  Your two choices right now are 90 nm and 130 nm.  The 90 nm carries a fairly small price premium (about $10 for the 3000+/3200+ models), but is *much* more overclockable due to the fact that it operates at a lower voltage (and thus generates less heat), and also uses a more "mature" revision than the 130 nm parts.  It is *strongly* recommended that you make sure to get a 90 nm CPU if you are in the market for a new socket 939 Athlon64.  The next thing to consider is the default CPU multiplier.  This is the one reason why it might be preferable to get a 3200+ over a 3000+ chip (generally speaking, all the 90 nm Athlon64's have about the same upper limit on their overclocked core speeds, until you hit the still very expensive 3800+ and FX variants, so it doesn't make sense to buy a more expensive CPU when you're not getting any extra overclockability out of it).  The multipliers on the Athlon64 CPU's are "half-locked", meaning that you can run at the default multiplier (9x for the 3000+, 10x for the 3200+), or any multiplier that is smaller than the default, but you cannot select a multiplier that is higher than your default multiplier.  Thus, getting the 3200+ over the 3000+ gives you two extra multipliers (10x and 9.5x) and, all things being equal, will let you achieve a higher clock speed before you are forced to run your RAM asynchronously and pay the latency penalty for doing so, although your max clock speed will likely be about the same as it would if you had gotten the 3000+ instead (so if you have cheap RAM that's not giong to overclock well at all, there's very little reason to go with the 3200+ unless a RAM upgrade is planned in the near future).  So, for overclocking purposes my recommendation is a 90 nm Socket 939 Athlon64 3000+, or if you have high performance memory and want to get the most out of it, the 3200+.  Both chips are competitively priced and should overclock at least to 2.4 GHz, if not higher, on stock cooling (spend the extra $10 for the non-OEM variant and get the HSF that comes with the chip, it works as well as many more expensive third-party air-based systems and is well worth the extra $10), and of course both offer the attractive feature-set of a socket 939 Athlon64 (dual integrated memory controllers, 64-bit support, dual-core processors on the future upgrade path, etc.).
    The Motherboard - The motherboard is an important part of overclocking as well.  There's not much point in getting a highly overclockable CPU and then pairing it with a mainboard that was not designed with overclocking in mind, and this is one area where the Neo4 really shines...it has superb overclocking support.  Probably the most important feature to have if you indend to overclock your CPU by 20%+ (which should be easily attainable on either of the recommended CPU's above) is that the board have locks that prevent the overclocked FSB from overclocking parts of the system that can't handle the extra speed (like the PCI/PCI-E bus, for example), and long story short, the Neo4 has these (unlike the Via-based K8T Neo, which had no locks and which limited SATA users to overclocks of no more than about 225 MHz because any high than that and the SATA controllers would start to become unstable and kill your HDD data...working locks are a very good and important thing if you are overclocking).  The next important feature is to choose a board whose BIOS lets you control the options that are important for overclocking.  Again, the Neo4 does excellent here, letting you pick your memory divider, memory timings (and some very obscure ones at that), CPU multiplier, FSB speed, HTT multiplier, CPU voltage, chipset voltage, RAM voltage, and so on without complaint.  The MB also has a handly little button on it that will clear the CMOS with a single press (no more screwing around with those annoying jumpers) in case you screw up and the system won't POST.  The board also has some extra cooling hardware installed in the form of a passive heatsink near the rear I/O panel, but mostly it's the presence of functional locks and the wide range over overclocking related BIOS features that make it attractive from an overclocking perspective.  Aside from this, it has a very nice feature set in general, including 8 SATA ports and 2 IDE channels (for a total of up to 12 drives), two gigabit ethernet adapters, firewire, 7.1 channel audio, and the additional selling point that nvidia's unified drivers tend to be much easier to install than most companies' drivers.
    Cooling:
    Okay, one last thing to consider before the overclocking starts.  Cooling is important in general and especially if you are going to be overclocking.  While a 90 nm Athlon64 performs rather admirably from a thermal perspective even when only stock cooling components are used, some simple modifications can drop your idle/load temps by 5+ degrees, which can give you a bit more overclocking headroom and which in any event will make your CPU happier. 
    Case Fans - The first thing you want to do is make sure your case is adequately ventilated...in general a single 120 mm exhaust fan will do the job just fine.  If your case does not support fans this large, use at least two 80 mm fans, either both as exhaust, or one as exhaust and one as intake (if they perform differently, use the more powerful one as the exhaust fan to avoid overpressuring your case).  If noise is a concern, the Vantec Stealth (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-999-614&depa=1) series of case fans are affordable, come in a variety of sizes, perform quite well, and do not make much noise at all (though you might want to consider doubling up on the 120 mm's just to be on the safe side).  This can lower your CPU temp by about 2 to 5 degrees over a poorly ventilated case configuration using the same CPU fan.
    CPU Fan - As I mentioned earlier, the default CPU fan that comes packaged with the retail Athlon64 chips is perfectly acceptable for overclocking use in my opinion.  The only complaint I have is that the thermal compound that comes preapplied to the HSF is fairly cheap and does not perform that well.  I *very strongly* recommend replacing it with Arctic Silver (http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm) before ever installing it on your CPU.  To remove the default thermal pad, you can use a razor blade to get most of it off, and then hot soapy water (or denatured alcohol I've heard) to remove any remaining reside.  Be sure that the HSF is free of any cleaning residue and also of any moisture before going to install it on the CPU, and then just apply the Arctic Silver and then complete the HSF installation, and you're good to go.  Arctic Silver is relatively cheap (the tube you'll get will do several CPU's, and it doesn't go bad), and by replacing the thermal pad that comes on the stock HSF with it, you should be able to reduce your idle/load times by at least 5 degrees, and with this plus the added reduction you get from having a well ventilated case, you should have enough headroom to pull off some pretty aggressive overclocks.
    Overclocking:
    Finally, on to the good (and Neo4 specific) stuff.  Hopefully at this point you have a freshly built Neo4 based system with an Athlon64 CPU that provides a large headroom for overclocking.
    Initial Setup - Okay, the first thing you're going to want to do once the system is built and powered on for the first time is enter the BIOS and configure everything to run at its *default* settings.  It's not quite time to overclock yet.  First, you want to install Windows, patch it to SP2 if necessary, and then install some benchmarking, stress testing, and monitoring software.  SiSoft Sandra is a good benchmark suite, as are FutureMark's PCMark and 3dMark lines of software.  For stress testing you can use SuperPi and Prime95 (and Memtest86 if you don't mind the tedium of having to reboot in order to use it, which I do so I don't bother with it).  For monitoring you can use SpeedFan or Motherboard Monitor 5.  At the very least you should install one application from each category, and configure your monitoring software to launch when Windows loads.  One you have all this configured and working right, it's time to start overclocking (don't install too much else, in case of the worst case scenario in which an instability causes your HDD to become corrupted, requiring a reinstall of Windows and all the software, which is admittedly very unlikely, but unfortunately possible if you're unlucky enough).  For comparison purposes you may want to run some benchmarks and record the results before you start.  Additionally, you may want to install something like ClockGen, which will let you tweak your FSB/CPU coltage on the fly and which can make it easier to zero in on a stable configuration without having to reboot every time an instability is found.
    BIOS Layout - Just to save some time, I'll describe where BIOS options that we'll be using are all in one place, so that when I reference something you can just look up here and figure out how to find the appropriate setting in the BIOS.  Basically, there are two pages that we're interested in for overclocking (note that the Neo4 manual is actually extremely well done, and describes pretty much all of the BIOS options, so you can use it as well).  The first is the "Advanced Chipset Features" page.  Going "Advanced Chipset Features" -> "DRAM Configuration" brings up pretty much all of your memory related options (divider, timings, etc.), *except* for the RAM voltage.  The RAM voltage option is on the "Cell Menu" page, which happens to also contain all the other settings we are interested in, including FSB speed, HTT multiplier, CPU multiplier, vcore, vmem, chipset voltage, etc..  Basically, if it's not memory related, it's on the "Cell Menu" page.
    HTT Speed - As mentioned earlier, your HTT speed pretty much has no performance impact on the system once it gets to 800+ MHz, so the very first thing you can do is select the 4x HTT multiplier in the BIOS.  Note that as the HTT speed gets above about 1100 MHz, it will probably start to make the system unstable.  Therefore, you should keep track of the product of your FSB setting and your HTT multiplier, and whenever it gets to be above 1100, decrement the HTT multiplier to the next lowest setting.  at a 4x multiplier, you should be good up to about 275 MHz on your FSB.  Because the HTT's impact on performance is negligible, you do not need to worry about trying to maximize its value during overclocking.
    CPU speed - Onve you've reduced your HTT multiplier, it's time to find your max stable core speed.  To do this first go to the memory page and select a memclock index of 100 MHz.  This will run your RAM it half the FSB speed, and the reason for doing this is to ensure that as we raise the FSB, any instability the occurs is a result of the overclocked CPU and not a result of overclocked RAM, so that we can be sure that we have indeed found the maximum stable CPU speed when we are done.  Leave your other RAM settings at their defaults, we'll come back and tweak these later.  Now go to the CPU page and select "Manual" for the "High Performance Mode" option if necessary to enable editing of the settings.  You should disable Dynamic Overclocking (since you are doing this manually) and I recommend disabling Cool'n'Quiet, though you don't have to if you really don't want to.  Disable all the "... Spectrum" settings (what these do is kind of complicated, but the manual plainly states that they should be disabled if you are overclocking, so heed its advice).  Also disable "Aggressive Timing", as this will decrease your RAM overclockability substantially without providing any real benefit (and may make it unstable even at its rated settings).  Now, what you want to do is, leaving the other CPU settings (i.e. vcore and multiplier) the same, start raising your FSB Frequency in 10 to 12 MHz increments, depending on your multiplier (basically you want to raise it about 100 MHz at a time).  Some people feel this is a fairly large jump to do at a time, but I've found that the Athlon64 handles it just fine.  If you get up above about 2.4 GHz, then you might want to only go by half of this at a time though.  Remember to decrement your HTT multiplier as necessary.  Basically, every time you raise the FSB, test for stability by letting the system try to boot to Windows.  If it is successful, return to BIOS and raise the core speed some more.  Once the system fails to boot, you have two options, either raise the CPU voltage (use the "CPU VID" setting in the BIOS to adjust the voltage directly, or the "CPU Voltage" setting to specify how much over the specified amount of voltage to apply...personally I prefer the "CPU VID" route, but it's really a matter of personal preference, and yes, both can be manipulated in unison...one thing I've noticed here is that the "CPU Voltage" settings seem to allow for less variance in the final vcore setting, keeping it very close to the specified voltage at all times, whereas increasing via the "CPU VID" option lets the voltage decrease a bit from the specified value when the system is not under load) and try again (and keep repeating until you have given the CPU as much voltage as you are comfortable with and the system can no longer be made stable), or return to you last stable setting and let it boot.  Once you have done this, use your benchmarking and stress testing software to make sure you really are stable at your settings.  If the system crashes or the test reports errors, you will either need to raise the voltage a little, or lower the FSB a little (this is where ClockGen can be a big timesaver).  While some people swear by Prime95, my opinion is that if you can get through the largest SuperPi test without any errors, your overclock is stable.  Monitor your temps while you do this.  If you notice that the CPU temperature is getting above 60 degrees, you are running a bit too hot.  Generally speaking, about 55 should be considered the threshold of safety here.  If you're running hot, you can either decrease the voltage and FSB settings, or get a better cooling solution.  Once you have determined that your setting is stable and not overheating your CPU, record your core speed (not your FSB speed, the total CPU speed) and voltage settings for later.  You should probably be shooting for a target clock speed of around 2.4 GHz, or more if you have good cooling, or if you are interested in doing a "safe" overclock, just shoot for as high as you can get without raising the voltage.
    Memory Speed - Now that you know your CPU's limits, it's time to work on the RAM.  First restore your FSB to 200 MHz and your CPU voltage to its default, and specify a CPU multiplier of 6x to make sure that the CPU will not be stressed as your raise the FSB.  Go to your RAM page, and manually specify whatever timings are appropriate to your RAM modules.  Also be sure to set "1T/2T Memory Timing" to 1T (set the "... Mode" setting to Manual to make the RAM settings editable).  Leave the rest of the settings alone, except for the "Memclock Index Value".  Here, you have a choice to make.  If you have high quality RAM, or your target CPU speed is not too high (like < 2.3 GHz), you can try to run your RAM synchronously, which will give you somewhat better latency.  If this is the case, select an index value of 200 MHz (note that on the Neo4, when you select a memclock index what you are really specifying in the ratio at which the RAM operates relative to the FSB...the memclock index option is basically just obscuring this setting.  To calculate your ratio, divide whatever the index value is by 200, so an index of 200 MHz is a 1:1 ratio, an index of 150 MHz is a 3:4 ratio, and so on).  If your RAM is not of very high quality (for example, it's only rated as PC3200), or your target CPU speed is high, you will likely need to run the RAM asynchronously, so select the next highest index value of 180 MHz.  This will let you get slightly higher RAM clock speeds, at the cost of a little bit of added latency (the performance hit isn't much...you'll be much faster running asynch at 2.4 GHz than synch at 2.2 GHz).  Now you do the same thing that you did with the CPU, gradually increasing the FSB (you might want to use smaller increments this time though) until the system will no longer boot (remember again to decrease the HTT multiplier if necessary), and then returning to your last stable setting (or increasing the voltage and repeating) and booting to Windows and running stability tests.  You do not need to monitor your temps while doing the RAM tests (unless you want to).  Generally I find that Sandra's "Cache and Memory..." benchmark works well for detecting memory instability, and you can also use SuperPi, Prime95, or Memtest86 as well.  Once you have tested stable, record your memory clock speed (use the formula:  memory speed = FSB speed * memclock index value / 200) and voltage and reboot to the BIOS settings menu.  Note that while you may be able to attain a higher memory clock speed by selecting a higher CAS latency, it is not generally advisible to do so, as from what I've seen, although memory bandwidth remains about the same as CAS increases (as far as Sandra is concerned anyways), the lower latency provided by CAS2 improves the system score by 5% in PCMark 04, and given that RAM performance scales pretty much linearly relative to the clock speed, unless running at CL2.5 lets you get *at least* 10 to 15 MHz higher than at CL2, it is not worth it overall.
    Run the Numbers - Believe it or not the performance of the Neo4 system is dictacted pretty much entirely by the core and memory clock speeds (given identical memory timing settings).  The only other real factor is whether the RAM is run synchronously or not, which you just decided in the above step, so all that's left to do now is find the combination of memclock index, FSB, and CPU multiplier that allow you to get as clost to both your target core and memory speeds as possible.  If you are running synchronously, your task is simple, just keep your memclock index of 200 MHz, specify your target FSB speed, and your default CPU multiplier (unless your RAM is so good that the CPU is not stable at the default multiplier and the RAM's top FSB speed, in which case drop the multiplier accordingly).  If running the RAM asynchronously your task is a bit more difficult (having a calculator for this part will help), basically you have to go through the list of memory dividers (memclock indexes), and for each one calculate the ratio of memclock index / 200, and then divide your target memory clock speed by that ratio to get the FSB needed to attain your target memory speed (for example, if the target is 230 MHz, for a memclock index of 150 we get a ratio of 0.75, and 230 / 0.75 = 307 MHz, so running the RAM at 230 MHz with an index of 150 MHz requires a FSB setting of 307 MHz...pretty good if your target clockspeed is 2.45 GHz, as selecting an 8x multiplier will pretty much hit this exactly), and then go through the available *whole* CPU multipliers (I've heard that the half-multipliers should be avoided, as they cause the memory to get clocked incorrectly) and see if any multiplier times the FSB you calculated hits (or comes reasonably close to hitting) your target CPU speed.  Go through all of them until you get an exact (or very close) match, and pick whichever one ends up matching most closely.  Note that there is no benefit in this case to a higher FSB speed configuration over a lower FSB speed configuration, provided that both produce the same core and memory clock values, so you should not favor configurations with needlessly high FSB settings unless they produce a better fit than the others.  Apply whichever settings are closest, and then apply the appropriate CPU and memory voltage settings that you got from the previous steps.  Also apply whichever HTT multiplier will put you closest to 1000 MHz without going over 1100 MHz.  After this, your system should be ready to boot, overclocked and stable.  Be sure to do additional benchmarking and stress testing to make sure that you really are stable (if you saved your scores at the beginning, compare them to your scores now and marvel at the improvement...and post the results for people to see), and be sure to monitor your temps for a bit to make sure your cooling is working adequately.
    Post Overclock Overclocking:
    There's not a whole lot to do now, but if you want to try to tweak your memory timings to get a little bit of extra performance, now is the time to do it...just remember to record your stable overclock settings somewhere (*not* on the computer) in case the tweaking forces a CMOS reset and you lose all your settings, and enjoy.  Also you can overclock whatever video card you have, a process that's much easier and faster than overclocking your CPU/RAM/FSB.
    In Closing:
    I hope someone out there finds this useful, given how long it took to write up.  Maybe I'll get lucky and this will end up as a sticky...we'll see.  And just to start things off, here are my benchmark scores, at stock and at the overclock described in my sig:
    Stock:
    3dMark05 = 3141
    PCMark04 = 3589
    Overclocked:
    3dMark05 = 3704
    PCMark = 4805
     

    Just started ocing the system, I'm new at this so these are where my system stands and the results
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        Date                                              2005-09-16
        Time                                              16:14
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        CPU Properties:
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          CPU Alias                                         Venice S939
          CPU Stepping                                      DH-E3
          CPUID CPU Name                                    AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
          CPUID Revision                                    00020FF0h
        CPU Speed:
          CPU Clock                                         2456.56 MHz
          CPU Multiplier                                    9.0x
          CPU FSB                                           272.95 MHz  (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 36%)
          Memory Bus                                        204.71 MHz
        CPU Cache:
          L1 Code Cache                                     64 KB  (Parity)
          L1 Data Cache                                     64 KB  (ECC)
          L2 Cache                                          512 KB  (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)
        Motherboard Properties:
          Motherboard ID                                    03/15/2005-MS-7100-6A61FM4BC-00
          Motherboard Name                                  MSI K8N Diamond / K8N SLI Platinum (MS-7100)  (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
        Chipset Properties:
          Motherboard Chipset                               nVIDIA nForce4 SLI, AMD Hammer
          Memory Timings                                    2-4-4-6  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
          Command Rate (CR)                                 1T
        SPD Memory Modules:
          DIMM1: GeIL CL25-4-4DDR 500                       512 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM  (2.5-5-5-9 @ 250 MHz)  (2.0-5-5-9 @ 232 MHz)
          DIMM2: GeIL CL25-4-4DDR 500                       512 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM  (2.5-5-5-9 @ 250 MHz)  (2.0-5-5-9 @ 232 MHz)
        BIOS Properties:
          System BIOS Date                                  03/15/05
          Video BIOS Date                                   06/27/05
          Award BIOS Type                                   Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
          Award BIOS Message                                W7100NZ1 V9.0 031505 14:17:53
          DMI BIOS Version                                  6.00 PG
        Graphics Processor Properties:
          Video Adapter                                     nVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT PCI-E
          GPU Code Name                                     NV43GT  (PCI Express x16 10DE / 0140, Rev A2)
          GPU Clock                                         299 MHz
          Memory Clock                                      522 MHz
    --------[ Power Management ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Power Management Properties:
          Current Power Source                              AC Line
          Battery Status                                    No Battery
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          Remaining Battery Lifetime                        Unknown
    --------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Sensor Properties:
          Sensor Type                                       Winbond W83627THF  (ISA 290h)
          GPU Sensor Type                                   Driver  (NV-DRV)
          Motherboard Name                                  MSI MS-7046 / 7100 / 7125
        Temperatures:
          Motherboard                                       32 °C  (90 °F)
          CPU                                               35 °C  (95 °F)
          GPU1: GPU                                         56 °C  (133 °F)
          GPU2: GPU                                         50 °C  (122 °F)
        Cooling Fans:
          CPU                                               3444 RPM
          System                                            2637 RPM
          North Bridge                                      7337 RPM
        Voltage Values:
          CPU Core                                          1.38 V
          +3.3 V                                            3.34 V
          +5 V                                              5.08 V
          +12 V                                             12.04 V
          +5 V Standby                                      5.17 V
          VBAT Battery                                      3.10 V
          Debug Info F                                      40 31 17
          Debug Info T                                      32 35 157
          Debug Info V                                      56 D1 C6 BD 1C 14 34 (01)
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    Benchmarking     PCMARK04/score:4684      3DMARK03/score:15075 
    got any suggestions, Im just trying to learn how to do this, any help would be greatly appreciated
     

  • RivaTuner 2.0 fan speed & Overclock Guide

    Found this guide. Hope it helps. DOK http://www.guru3d.com/article/article/449/

    http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8MM3-V&class=mb
    Well it is pretty obvious your MB won't support a P4 CPU. I suspect if you have the latest Bios then this is down to the OS as to how the fan is controlled. Did you do a clean install of the OS when you installed this board and CPU? If not you could have a serious driver conflict.
    You can also use proggies like Speedfan to control the fans speed and monitor them. Keep in mind that most Computer fans have a minimum speed they can go as well before they simply shut off.
    The temps you have are pretty good overall so if it is just noise you are concerned with then it is likely different fans or even going to water cooling is the way to go to reduce noise.

  • Unboxing MSI Z97 Mpower Max AC Overclocking Motherboard

    Intel Z97 chipset based motherboards is already out and I’m glad that Intel decided it to make the CPU socket the same LGA 1150 as before. Backward compatibility for the current CPUs and at the same time will have support for the upcoming Haswell Refresh and Broadwell (14nm) processors. More importantly, the chipset has three new features and these are:
    •SATA Express – PCIe M.2 support. Can deliver data speeds up to 10Gb/s
    •Boot Guard – serves as a shield against low-level malware attacks using Intel device protection system
    •Upgraded Intel Smart Response and Raid start technologies. Now with Dynamic Cache Sharing
    Few? yes, but don’t get disappointed about it yet, as I heard that the Z97 will be good at high memory frequencies and has better CPU overclocking.
    That’s it for the review and thank you … just kidding hehehe. The main gist of this short review is on MSI’s Z97 MPower Max AC and it’s such a good looking motherboard. It has new features, heat sink design and OC essential tools which will be further discussed later on. Before that, let us take a look at the packaging first.
    Black and Yellow ~~black and yellow…box is same as the Z87 Mpower Max before except for the OC Series logo design.
    Flipping the front cover will give you some short info on Military Class 4 components (Hi-c Cap, Dark Cap, SFC, OC PCB), Guard-Pro (Circuit Protection, Humidity Protection, High Temperature Protection, ESD Protection, EMI Protection & Eco Power), OC Essentials (tools for overclocking), Enhanced Thermal Solution, Enhanced Power and Enhanced BIOS. Then to your right is a clear plastic window which will give you a sneak peek on the actual unit. Drools…
    The Z97 Mpower Max AC is OC certified as it passed the Prime95 24-hour burn-in stress test with a liquid-cooled overclocked CPU.  This is to ensure the board’s overclocking stability.
    I/O overview is also shown here and Intel’s Wi-Fi AC module.
    Specifications:
    •CPU
    Supports 4th and 5th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors, and Intel® Pentium® and Celeron® Processors for Socket LGA1150
    •Chipset
    Intel® Z97 Express Chipset
    •Memory
    4x DDR3 DIMMs 1066/1333/1600/1866*/2000*/2133*/2200*/2400*/2600*/2666*/2800*/3000*/3100*/3200*/3300*(OC) DRAM, 32GB Max
    •LAN
    Intel I218-V Gigabit LAN controller
    •Audio
    Realtek® ALC1150 Codec
    •Video
    3 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (support x16, x8/x8, x8/x4/x4 modes)
    •Peripheral Interfaces
    6x SATA 6Gb/s ports from Z97 with RAID Support
    2x SATA 6Gb/s ports from ASMedia ASM1061
    6x USB 2.0 ports (2 Rear / 4 Front)
    12x USB 3.0 ports (8 Rear / 4 Front)
    The package is full of bundles and some new stuff included
    •Z97 Mpower Max AC Overview Map
    •Z97 MPower Max User Guide
    •Software & Application User Guide
    •Overclocking Guide
    •Quick Installation Guide
    •OC Door Message Hanger
    •SATA Cable Label Stickers
    •MSI OC Badge
    Closer look on MSI’s new OC case badge
    •WiFi and Bluetooth Antenna
    •Intel Wifi/Bluetooth Module
    •MSI SLI Bridge
    •IO Backplate
    •M-Connector for Easy Header Installation
    •V-Check Points Cable
    MSI so extravagant with the bundles!!! Keep ‘em coming
    •6x SATA 6GB/s Data Cables
    •E-SATA PCI Expansion Bracket
    What you will notice right away is the new water cooling heat sink for the VRM area. Enthusiasts will like this very much as they don’t have to worry on buying water blocks for this section. But even on stock, the heat sink is efficient to cool down the VRM chips. It is composed of heat pipe and ceramic materials.
    PCB is matte black and is using dark solid capacitors. Layout is clean and organized especially on the area of the multi graphics card slots. OC button tools are placed on the upper right area of the board for easy access. The 8pin and 4pin power connectors on the upper left area are used to supply power to the CPU and it also helps achieve higher overclock potential and stability to the processor.
    MSI also included an integrated Clock Generator chip called OC Engine (located below the CPU socket). Having this will support more BCLK adjustments from 100 / 125 / 167 MHz straps. The more flexible the strap is, the more doors for maximum OC potential.
    12Phase DigitAll power design. Powerful enough to break OC world records and dominate benchmarks.
    You also have the Military Class 4 components SFC chokes and Hi-c caps surrounding the CPU socket.
    On the area in between the two heat sinks connected by a heat pipe is an additional 6pin power. It provides more juice and stability in multi-graphics card configuration.
    The first two buttons on the left are the Base Clock Control Buttons. These buttons are used to increase or decrease the base clock frequency in real-time. At the bottom, you have the Discharge button and it allows you to fully discharge the motherboard and even removes information from the Z97 PCH. Next you have the Reset and Power buttons and lastly the most valuable button of them all – OC Genie for auto overclock.
    To the farthest right is a switch. This is the OC Genie Mode switch which provides two overclocking modes. First mode is the Gear 1, the default automatic overclocking setting while Gear 2 is a higher auto overclock tweak than Gear 1. This goes hand in hand with the OC Genie Button.
    V-Check Points is now version 2 with 2 extra ground connectors, allowing overclockers to use 3 multi-meters at the same time. You can check the VCCIN, DDR, Core,IGP, Ring Bus and System Agent voltage on the fly.
    Audio Boost is also been upgraded. It has Dual Amps now and is using better Nippon Chemi-con filtering capacitors.
    Here comes one of the major features of having Z97 chipset based motherboard, SATA Express. M.2 slot transfers data through a PCI Express 2.0 x2 interface which can reach up to 10 Gb/s speed. That is 67% much faster than your regular SATA 3 solutions.
    Two more switches are to be found at the bottom of the board. First one is the Multi-BIOS Switch. This model has two built-in BIOS ROMs labeled as A and B (Default is BIOS ROM A). If one crashed, you can shift to the other for booting or perhaps use the other one for test purpose of new BIOS available in the net.  You can also use this feature to fix corrupted BIOS. Next switch is the Slow Mode Booting and mostly used during LN2 or extreme overclocking situations.  What it does is it will temporary decrease the CPU Ratio to 8x and after successfully booting to Windows you can flick the switch back again to apply your high overclock frequency settings.
    Done with the switches and now for the small black button called Go2BIOS. Pressing this button before turning on your computer or right after a system restart, will go straight to your board’s BIOS.
    The ever reliable Debug Code LED indicator is available in this model. This can be used greatly for troubleshooting boot up and hardware problems. Check out the User Manual Guide for the corresponding POST Code errors.
    SATA ports 8 and 7 on the left are controlled by ASMedia ASM1061 while the rest are from the Intel Z97 chipset.  There also 2x USB 3.0 internal headers available and also controlled by Intel Z97.
    •PS2 Combo Port
    •2x USB 2.0
    •Empty space for Intel’s WIFI/Bluetooth AC Module
    •6x USB 3.0 by ASMedia ASM1074
    •1x Intel I218-V Gigabit LAN Controller
    •1x S/PDIF Audio Output by Realtek ALC1150
    •1x HDMI Port
    •1x DisplayPort
    •2x USB 3.0 by ASMedia ASM1042
    •6x Analog Gold Plated Audio Ports by Realtek ALC1150
    This is it for now and I don’t still have the right parts to run the motherboard to its max potential. I will update you guys as soon as I get my hands on the stuff I needed. Benchmarks and overclocking results will be made.
    Long live MSI OC Series!!!

    It is interesting MSI chose not to incorporate dedicated SATA Express port(s). Some manufacturers even incorporated that on it's Z87's.
    Quote
    Few? yes, but don’t get disappointed about it yet, as I heard that the Z97 will be good at high memory frequencies and has better CPU overclocking.
    If Intel didn't increase the useable RAM bandwidth with Devil's Canyon, those higher RAM frequencies are going to do nothing! With a VRM still in the CPU, even with the improved TIM, it remains to be seen how much of a better OC'er Devil's Canyon will be on conventional cooling solutions. Anything above Z97 Gaming 7 or 9 is kind of overkill for an average non exotic cooling pc user. If anything like the Z87 Power Max I got to work with, most of those OC settings on these class boards was a total waste. Z97 better OC'er for normal users? Time will tell.

  • [AMD] Something aint right. Can't even begin an overclock !!!!

       Read the Overclocking Guide very carefully (Some1ne's here on this board)
       Started to test with the most conservative setting of HTT 4X and 210 FSB, with memclock of only 100mhz as suggested , on my AMD 3000 Venice core. No other mods to stock settings.
        Nothing right? Freaking thing hung on first boot. had to clear cmos!
        According to the 4 light diagnostic , it's hanging at Processor Initialization.
       How is it possible that it would hang on settings like these?
       Using 2 sticks of  Corsair Dual Channel CMX512-3200C2
       MSI Neo4 Platinum

    Try the 133 or 166 divider.
    Usually when you have to do a cmos reset when attempting overclock it's because of a memory setting, cpu overspeed will usually come up in bios safe mode.(at least in my experience)
    I would try 166 divider and 3-3-3-8 (spd for those modules) and mess around with 1T or 2T.(although that ram should do 1T)Don't use Tras lower than 7.
    Also you do want to check all other settings to make sure a default setting isn't messing you up i.e.
    spread spectrum
    dynamic overclocking
    agressive settings
    cool&quiet
    yada yada yada
    turn off anything your not using in bios.  If you have usb printer turn off the parallel port. turn off sata ports your not using etc etc
    disable power management
    basically anything that isn't neccessary to make the system run
    Then give it a shot and see how you do.  5 Mhz at a time then run something quick like 3dmark01, save prime95 and the other stuff for when you think your close to max.  Some boards just don't like big jumps.

  • Overclocking Noob

    I'm currently running my system with mostly default BIOS settings. I don't game much these days, only occasionally. Other than browsing, I mostly edit photos and videos, encode/burn DVDs, and create large illustrations. I'm happy with my system as it is, but I could do with more power behind plug-in rendering in photoshop, illustrator, and with videos as well as less time waiting for DVDs to be encoded. Do I have the right stuff in place for getting more out of my system? Are there any drawbacks? [eg Risk, Hardware longevity, etc] If so, are there some compromises, some things I can choose to push w/o much risk?
    Thanks.

    I see several problems with your system when trying to overclock it. Your PSU is probably the biggest problem, with only 12a on the 12v rail (was it 12a?). Chances are you will need to purchase a new PSU to overclock. You can get a good PSU for ~$75. The next limiting factor is your memory. Your memory is PC3200 which was designed to run at stock speeds (200mhz). You can run a divider (meaning you can run your memory asynchronomously) but this will be less effective than if you ran your memory at the same speed as your FSB (synchronomously). For example a 5:6 divider would be 200mem/250FSB. This is less efficient than 250mem/250FSB.
    As a rule of thumb people say you should switch your memory SPD on the board to 333 (which would give you a 5:6 divider) and raise your FSB to 250. If you got a good processor it will boot up and run prime95 stable without a bump in VCore. It's been my expereince that if your processor wasn't designed to go that far then it won't boot at all and you'll need to clear CMOS. I've seen good things with the 3.0C. I can't say the same for the 2.8C.
    Read https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=29142&sid=, it's an overclocking guide. Follow their steps, if you can't get it to POST at 250FSB then start at 210 and work your way up. Since your memory is 333, you can keep your timings as is, and you need not be concerned with the memory as a limiting factor in your overclock. So when you run prime95, if it's stable, bump the FSB and try again. Eventually you will reach a FSB where prime95 is no longer stable/the computer won't post.
    I really rushed this reply, if there's anything you don't understand, just ask, and i'll explain in detail when i get a chance.

  • Noob with a question about overclocking.

    Good Afternoon,
    I just picked up an MSI A6000-029US laptop and am looking to overclock it to get a bit more from the processor. For reference, hardware follows:
    Chipset: NVIDIA MCP79MVL
    Processor: Intel C2D T6600 2.2GHz; FSB 800MHz
    GPU: GeForce 8200M G
    RAM: 2x 2gb 800 MHz Samsung PC2-6400 DDR2
    I have installed the 64-bit Windows 7 upgrade and checked out an overclocking guide on slickdeals.net, but could not use the tutorial as I am missing a couple of drivers that did not transfer when I changed the OS to 64-bit. (SMB/SMU memory driver being one of them)
    I am new to overclocking and working with the BIOS, etc., so any advice is appreciated.
    Cheers,
    Nick

    Quote from: nartieri on 30-November-09, 05:39:34
    Good Afternoon,
    I just picked up an MSI A6000-029US laptop and am looking to overclock it to get a bit more from the processor. For reference, hardware follows:
    Chipset: NVIDIA MCP79MVL
    Processor: Intel C2D T6600 2.2GHz; FSB 800MHz
    GPU: GeForce 8200M G
    RAM: 2x 2gb 800 MHz Samsung PC2-6400 DDR2
    I have installed the 64-bit Windows 7 upgrade and checked out an overclocking guide on slickdeals.net, but could not use the tutorial as I am missing a couple of drivers that did not transfer when I changed the OS to 64-bit. (SMB/SMU memory driver being one of them)
    I am new to overclocking and working with the BIOS, etc., so any advice is appreciated.
    Cheers,
    Nick
    I'd be surprised if you find any overclocking related setting in your bios. Make no mistake laptops can be overclocked but tools for that aren't widely available. You may reach for modded BIOS versions if the lappy if popular enough, but looking at the specs I'd wouldn't say so, so my guess is that you'll fail to find any modified BIOS revisions.
    On the other hand, you may very well succeed with tools like setFSB which has the biggest number of supported PLL's - clock generators among any software of that kind.
    Oh, and since you're using a nVidia based chipset, you may check out the nVidia control panel, if you're lucky it may allow for some O/C.
    heads up mate

  • [AMD] MSI 7030 K8N Platinum Socket 754 AMD 3000 guide

      I have been searching around the forums and cannot find much on a overclocking guide for this board. Does anyone have a link with some sort of info on overclocking this board?   

    I could probably give you some pointers, what do you want to know? (sorry but I really don't know where to start..  )
    I have a moddest PC, but insaying that I'm quite confident I'm getting the max. performance possible.
    Athlon 64 2800+ skt 754 @ 2.416 Ghz (3700+ equiv) [302x8 ~ 1.65V] (Newcastle core)
    MSI K8N Neo-FSR (MS7030) Official BIOS 1.7
    512mb AM1 DDR400 @ 201Mhz (soon to be 1Gb when I can afford it -cheapo brand btw)
    Benq DW1640 16x DVD Writer
    Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb @ 412/740MHz
    Creative Soundblaster Audigy
    200GB Seagate 7200.7 S-ATA HD
    19" CRT
    Logitech MX500 Mouse on a X-ray pad Thunder 9 surface
    320w PSU that came with my case 3 years ago.
    My whole system is running damned stable, except for not POSTing on a cold boot sometimes - I haven't worked out why this is just yet but I'm guessing it's something to do with MSI's badly engineered BIOSes. It seemed to have a lot of trouble cold POSTing on 300HTT so hence it being at 302 (I just put it up from 301 as it didn't POST properly this morn).
    Anyway, feel free to ask any questions - I've bookmarked this thread and will definately check back.
    Software you might want to download (google is your friend):
    CPU-Z
    Clockgen (get the one for NF3 boards)
    A64 Tweaker (though I hardly use this one)

  • First time overclocker

    ok hmm some questions
    when i run cpu-z to check my timing i got 2.5,3,3,8@1T
    but today i was snoozing around bios and in bios it says 2.5,4,2,8@1T, its set to auto. do you guys recommend i manually put 2.5,3,3,8 in bios before i overclock?
    and about cpu voltage, there are 3 choices
    8.3%
    5.0%
    3.3%
    what should i pick?
    NF4 Voltage
    1.50~1.85 increasing 5mhz everytime
    what should i set for that?
    last question, where do i set my fsb:ram ratio? i wanted 1:1
    i read a lot and i think i'm readying to overclock! once i get my new power supply tho

    some tips. first of all, read a lot of overclocking guides. overclock with somebody by your side who knows what to do if anything goes wrong (somebody who is experienced in overclocking). then for the overclocking part itself. download memtest and burn it on a bootable cd. insert the cd, turn the computer off, enter bios. try some tight timings on your memory. save and exit bios and memtest will start automatically. run tests 5 and 8 both 30 times. if you get nu errors you know that you are safe. if you do get errors, reboot, loosen the timings a bit, save and exit bios, run memtest. if you got the tightest timings on 200mhz you are going to up the HTT bus till you get errors in memtest. if you get errors in memtest try to increase the memory voltage a little bit, if that doesn't work give it more volts. if more volts doesn't help, loosen the timings a bit. also very important. if the memory seems stable at a certain speed, use superpi to check if the processor is also stable at that speed. if superpi gives an error, give the processor more volt, standard your processor runs at 1,5 volt, you can increase that, but not too high, 1,65 is definatelly the limit . try to get the most out of your memory and processor. if you notice that your memory doesn't want to overclock any further, try to use an artificial memory lock. that is what Ratt explained in point 4. good luck with overclocking . but we aren't responsible for hardware failure, so keep your eyes open and don't do stupid things with that expensive hardware

  • Z77A-GD65 + i5 2500K Overclocking - How to start?

    Hey guys,
    I'm new here, nice to meet you all
    I just got my board a few days ago and installed everything, I have a brand new i5 2500K along with 8GB of 2x4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 sticks, my CPU cooler is the Zalman CNPS10X Extreme and I wanna start overclocking.
    I have a lot of experience in overclocking Gigabyte boards, but never MSI boards, so the first things I did were to:
    1. Disable EIST
    2. Disable Intel C-State
    3. Disable C1E
    4. Disable Overspeed Protection
    5. Set CPU Ratio (Multiplier) manually to 33
    6. Set memory frequency manually to 1600MHz instead of Auto
    Haven't touched Load Line Calibration (Vdrop) settings or any other settings yet.
    Since this is a Sandy Bridge and the memory runs on 100MHz constantly, is there any need to fiddle with any more memory settings?
    Also, are there any additional settings I need to enable/disable in the BIOS before I start increasing the multiplier? Basically I'm looking for a set of optimized settings you need to set in order to get your overclock started.
    I'd love to get an explanation on the board voltages as well as they are different than the ones I had in my old EP45-UD3P.
    Thanks for your help

    Hi Thanks for the reply,
    Yes, I am aiming for an everyday overclock with fairly low voltages, I wanna take the CPU to around 4.7-4.8 if possible but I'll settle for 4.5-4.6 if I get any voltage limitations or BSODs. I don't plan to exceed 1.4 Vcore and I don't mind about the eco-power settings being disabled, but if I can achieve a steady OC with them, then that's fine of course.
    Mainly for gaming and viewing HD contents with high quality renderers, plus it's fun
    First thing I want to set is the memory, I read here that I should set the memory to 1300-MHz at first and then set the timings manually:
    http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.html
    But the board has many timing settings which I don't wanna touch since I'm not sure which ones are correct, my timings are 9-9-9-24, please tell me which values I need to change exactly to get started and should I set the memory to 1333 or 1600?
    Secondly, do I simply start with increasing the multi to say 40 and stress test on stock voltages? Do I need to hard set these values or leave them on Auto? Or do I crank up the voltage from the beginning?
    BTW my PSU is a Seasonic X-650 80+ Gold so no issue with power
    Thanks again

  • Overclocking my 3200+ Winchester on K8N Neo2.. Help!!!

    Ok ive had my system for over a year now and i wanted to try my hand at some overclocking and so far ive come up with these settings (check sig for details on system)
    235mhz HTT Frequency (Front Side Bus)
    10x Cpu Multiplier
    Vcore 1.55v (with CPU Vidd at 5% increase incase it needs some more juice)
    166 Memory @ DDR 333 speeds now
    2-3-2-5 1T Timing
    Memory Voltage at 2.65
    4X HT Multiplier
    So far its been running nice and stable at 2.35GHz with no problems what so ever. Im also running two Sata Drives on ports 1 & 2, should i switch those back to 3 & 4? but when i had them on 3 & 4 my system sometimes would not detect my 160GB drive on port 4 but it would always see my 80GB Raptor on port 3, what is up with that? I know my drives are fine cause before i got my Raptor i had the 160GB on port 3 with no problems for a whole year, its just when i started to use port 4.
    Besides that, what suggestions do you guys have that i should try to see if i can get my system to atleast be up at 2.5GHz? Now ive done a search on previous threads and yes ive looked at the sticky's and even overclocking guides, but i wanna hear suggestions straight from people who have the exact same setup as me...

    Ok, after i got home from work i switched my SATA drives to ports 3 and 4 and miraculously i am no overclocked to 2.5ghz!! BUT i have a problem...
    Ok to start off, after i got my raptor drive i had my two drives plugged into ports 3 and 4 but sometimes it wouldn't detect my new raptor drive on port 4.. so i switched to ports 1 and 2 with the same cables and all was well. Now, since there back on ports 3 and 4 im overclocked, and when i was stressing my system at 2.5ghz, around 2 hours through prime 95 it shutdown and rebooted from a sever error!! now either thats because my system lost my raptor drive on port 4 or cause the overclock is too high and maybe not enough voltage on my ram..
    So right now i have my ram bumped up to 2.7 volts and so far no problem after running prime for 45 min on the new voltages.. i had to stop it though but like i said, so far it was fine..
    Now, what are the chances of my system suddenly dropping and losing my raptor drive on port 4 while windows is running? could that have caused my system to screw up and restart running prime after 2 hours? or do you think it was my ram voltages? The only way i can tell if my system is definately not picking up my drive some of the times is when i would sometimes turn my comp on it wouldn't see my drive or after a restart it wouldn't see my drive (that was back when i first got it), and so far it hasn't done that yet..   Oh yeah, way back when i first got the two drives i only had a 420W PSU, recently i bought a 550W with 19amps on the 12 volt rail so maybe that fixed the problem??

  • OC guide for MSI Z68A-GD65 (B3)

    All,
    I want to take core i7 2600k to 5.1 GHz
    The specs are as below:
    Motherboard: MSI z68-gd65 (B3)
    Processor: Intel core i7 2600k
    Video Card: Sparkle GTX 570 OC
    Memory: 2 x 4GB 1600 MHz (G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series)
    Casing: Xigmatek Utgard-X
    PSU: Xigmatek NRP-MC 802
    CPU Cooler: Thors Hammer with 2 Xigmatek 120mm fans.
    HDD: 120GB Kingston HyperX 120GB SATA III.
    I m not very much into OC. Please guide!

    Quote
    I m not very much into OC. Please guide!
    The link below will guide you. Although they used a different board, its targeted as a more generalised Sandy Bridge OC'ing guide. That should get you started and also allow you to see what your specific CPU will be capable of.
    http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.html

  • P7n platinum - e8400 overclocking issues, pls post your settings

    Dear OC experts,
    I have troubles overclocking e8400 to 3.6 ghz on p7n platinum board. I have tried many variables and options in BIOS, but the problem remains the same. While doing regular tasks on my PC, everything seems to be stable, but when I start a game (battlefield 2 bad company or skyrim) the PC freezes. I have upgraded BIOS to the latest version, I have all the newest drivers, tried many different settings in the OS, but it does not help. The video card is gtx560. There are no problems/freezing when I set all the values in the cell section in bios back to default.
    I have searched web alot, my eyes are red... The only remaining hope - you : )
    I would greatly appreciate your help. Could you please post your bios settings for the OC'ed e8400 if you have the same board.
    My systems is:
    E8400, 4GB 800mhz 6400 RAM
    3 HDD (total 1TB)
    GTX560 1GB
    Win7 64bit
    PSU CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready
    Thank you very much in advance.
    irsi

    You may want to read this useful guide.
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?178286-Official-MSI-P7N-Diamond-(780i)-Discussion-Review-Overclock-Guide-BIOS-Thread
    Yes I know its the Diamond board, but the OC basics are the same and all the BIOS options are probably pretty similar.
    See if that helps you for now.
    You will find the latest BIOS versions here http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P7N-SLI-Platinum---P7N-Zilent.html#/?div=BIOS  Please use the Forum flasher if you ever intend to flash the BIOS. >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

  • World of Warcraft on a 800mhz emac running - read -

    Hi All
    I decided to put this on as i had searched around to see if this was possible but hadn't,t found really any answers. So hear it is.
    I installed WOW on my just purchased 800mhz emac 40gb H/Drive,CD ROM. 1GB RAM.
    Having only a cd rom i had to load the 4 cd rom set of the game which i got when i first bought in 2005.Then the updates which were 6.4gb and took 12 hours to do (yes 12) mind you its never to quick on a quicker pc.
    It did warn me that the processor wasn't,t fast enough (1ghz minimum) but i loaded anyway.
    Anyway down to the main part it does run at between 10 and 35 fps depending where you are and how many are on.I did got to stormwind and it ran from 14 to 25fps especially around the auction house.Of course all is set to minimum on the graphics but everything inc sound is normal.
    Although it may be no benchmark and no mean feat it is still fully playable and not really annoying at all,Slowdown or juttering is not a bad as i imagined (my other machine plays at over 60fps consistently and with all effects maxed out)
    So i am quite pleased and advise all others wondering to try it too.Latency too was never more then 30ms.
    Just one thing that took me awhile to figure.With the standard mac mouse ,you have to press the apple button (propeller thingy : ) to activate the right click button to interact etc.
    Been looking to follow the overclocking guide to take it upto a 133ghz,so wondering how this would improve the game.Even though i know most depends on graphics.
    I an a die hard WOW fan and am glad i put this on my first mac of which i love so much..
    Love the emac..
    If anybody else has had better results or any advice please let me know
    Thanks
    Andy M

    Hi There
    Thankyou for your reply,I do like this one so will be holding onto it i think for a whilw.Its certainly got me into macs.But i do like to upgrade things.I have heard mixed reports about overclocking.As well as people saying its exactly the same board used on them all.Just down to where the jumpers are so not quite sure what to do.For now i am quite happy to use as it is with maybe a bigger hard drive and dvd rom to install soon.
    Thank you again
    Andy M

  • RAM issues regarding CPU + Mobo & OC'ing

    edited from different thread
    Hi there,
    I've been having problems with my RAM, that is its running at 333mhz/freq = 157 etc.. I'll list my old system as well as my new one which will help explain my confusion....hopefully....
    My new system is thus:
    -MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    -BFG 7800GTX
    -AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Newcastle core default settings/2.2ghz)
    -2 GB DDR-400 3200 (3 x 512mb chips are Kingmax, 1 x 512mb chip is Generic....I have realised they are different timings using CPU-Z, i.e. Generic has different timings too the Kingmax chips)
    -Super flower 500w PSU
    -Thermaltake Big Water cooling kit (CPU)
    -Western Digital 300GB SATA HDD
    -And old Seagate barracuda 40GB HDD
    -Windows XP SP2
    I have been told by the Moderator "Tiresmoke" to include more information, is it OK to posts links to each product?
    My old system is thus:
    -MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
    -AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Newcastle core default settings/2.2ghz)
    -GameCube X800XT-PE
    -(same RAM as above)
    -X-Connect 500w PSU
    -Thermaltake Big Water cooling kit (CPU) (same as above)
    -Western Digital 300GB SATA HDD (same as above)
    -And old Seagate barracuda 40GB HDD (same as above)
    -Windows XP SP2 (same as above)
    So here is whats happening...
    My old system when it first got put together, the RAM ran at 333mhz instead of 400mhz...however, I took my PC out to work so a mate of mine could help me out. Anyway, from memory I think he did a BIOS update, but whatever he did....when the PC booted up...the freq read as 200 and the RAM of course speed up to 400mhz...and I could tell in games like FarCry that there was a big difference. Plus CPU-Z showed me the difference...
    But I've been reading everywhere....that 4 x 512mb chips will not allow 400mhz speeds....I noticed all my RAM chips are double sided
    Anyway, my question is...how do I now (with my new system) do what my mate did? Is it because he say....enabled manual instead of auto in the DRAM config?......I also tried enabling manual mode with only 1GB of memory in dual channel mode, which did change the freq to 200mhz, giving the memory a speed of 400mhz, but I did not notice a considerable performace gain (using 3DMark05)
    I'm also guessing I really need to tighten my memory timings, however I'm very new to that kind of thing, I have read many articles about overclocking (which I realise I have to do due to the 7800GTX), and Im still not comfortable about doing it until I find an article or guide that is specific with overclocking for the motherboard I have, and Im guessing for the CPU and RAM would help also.
    Or....did he turn on D.O.T. which I believe overclocks the FSB, in-turn overclocking the RAM freq?
    If I'm way off....please tell me so...because I dont have a real idea! But I would like to thank any and all help, although I cant offer you gold and silver, I do appreciate the time you have taken to help me out.
    Regarding what Blackngold said in the other thread, I will try changing 1T to 2T to see if that helps, it may already be 2T but I will check, thank you for your input.
    Regarding what Jaybee said, if that is true that the Newcastle core cannot support 4 dimms...should I sell all 4x512mb sticks and instead get 2x1GB sticks?
    I realise I need to really overclock my CPU to relieve the bottlenecking of the 7800GTX, so I'm asking for anyone who has prior experience with a similiar setup as mine, in general overclocking or knowledge of other overclocking guides to please help me out, I have tried to understand guides from other websites, but I'm still confused. Even if someone here is kind enough to go through step by step with me, I would really appreciate your help.
    Thank you for your patience in reading my request, take care.

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    Ok...but the problem was increasing the FSB.....and as for increasing the memory, I realise I have to change it back to 200mhz, but Im getting to that part after I overclock the CPU, I guess thats how its suppost to go? According to the guide Im using anyway...I dont understand how you can test one of them at a time, seeing as increasing the FSB increases the RAM frequencing.
    You are testing one at a time by lowering the memory to 100.   Increasing the "FSB" will result in memory speed less the 200, we know the memory is good up to 200, so...  This way you are pushing the CPU to it's limit but the memory is still running far less then what it can.   In this example the CPU max speed is found then you bring up the memory like you said above.
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    Also, there would be no point in getting PC4000 RAM seeing as the Neo4 platinum only supports up to PC3200, plus I was thinking of getting OCZ 2GB (2x1GB Kit) EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel Platinum Kit (CL 2-3-2-5) anyway, looks like its good RAM.
    That's just because there isn't an official PC4000 spec.  It will run fine and can use it's potential in this board although if we can't get you higher then 225HTT(FSB) then PC4000 is overkill, as you wouldn't quite max out PC3700 right now.  I've seen memory running at 350Mhz(700Mhz) in your board.  That's like PC5600!  Rule number one, don't believe MSI. 
    I like that OCZ kit you are talking about.

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