PAL 25 fps conversion to 24 fps.

Forum,
I have read 24 fps produces a "nicer" look than Pal 25 fps or NTSC 30 fps.
So have spent some time searching for the means to change the PAL footage to 24 fps. without using Cinema tools.
Of course there is an option in Tools.
So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.
Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.
This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
Comments and help would be most welcome.
Thank you
Michael.

Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.
This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
PAL is 25 fps. It's possible that you made a mistake somewhere along the line.
Open the original media (inside the Capture Scratch folder) in QuickTime Player
and choose Get Info. Is the framerate 25? If not, then you captured it incorrectly
or you accidentally changed it.
Cinema Tools works great for conforming, but if you try something, it will
save to the file without asking you. Maybe that happened while you were
experimenting.
So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.
To conform you need to select the clip in the Browser, not the Timeline.
If you conform the clip, then the file gets changed, so every instance
on the Timeline is changed.
When you've got your 25 footage conformed to 24, you'll notice that the
sound is pitched lower, so you'll need to change the pitch of the sound track + 4.17%.
Of course, the question remains: does it look "nicer"?

Similar Messages

HD Scaling to 960x540@30 fps or 1280x720@24 fps?

Wondering what the best way is to get source material (1080i or 720p, 60 fps) onto the ATV with the least quality degredation, two target file options being 960x540@30 fps and 1280x720@24 fps. Based on a little bit of fooling around, seems like former maybe looks the best (my display a large 1080p), latter has better resolution, but picture is a little jumpy, presumably from the reverse 3:2 pulldown that I suppose is happening. I am working with source material from EyeTV, if anyone thinks that makes a difference. And actually, exporting from EyeTV to 24fps might give a smoother result than exporting at 60 fps and doing the 24fps conversion with Quicktime. Not a lot of good information on this stuff out there, which I find surprising. Maybe an opportunity for someone!

Changing frame rate wouldn't be something I would do, but I have compared 720p and 540p at 25 fps, 25 fps is our native frame rate in PAL land and unlike 30 fps is accepted by the tv at 720p.
See my comparisons.
I suspect the fact that 540p is exactly half the vertical resolution has a great deal to do with things, but any difference there is, isn't worth the additional work of applying manual settings in my opinion, indeed I'm not so sure the slight difference is in favour of 720p anyway.

PAL - NTSC Conversion question

I have some PAL DV footage at 25fps which I need to convert to NTSC to match some existing NTSC footage. The NTSC originated footage, when played in Quicktime diisplays the following info:
FPS: 23.98
Playing FPS: 24
I need to convert the PAL footage to match the NTSC frame rates, annd also I'd like to converted footage to appear that it is NTSC roriginated (i'e, with the slower framerate as opposed to 25fps).
I've made a few tests using the Frame Controls "Set Duration" options in compressor, but the results always seem end up at the wrong frame rates. Which setting should use? And can somebody explain what all the settings mean?
24@25
23.98@24
23.98@25
[email protected]
29.97@30
[email protected]
Message was edited by: Marc Morris
Message was edited by: Marc Morris
Message was edited by: Marc Morris

Marc,
I dont have extensive knowledge in this area although am literally doing the same conversion (PAL to NTSC) on my mac as I type this.
I also recently read in Videography magazine about a project that was assembled from archived footage and all of the footage used originated from different formats and that was the hardest part about editing.
They mentioned all the different ways they attempted to convert the footage but in the end it seemed as if they just settled for what looked best because they couldnt get an exact conversion.
If your looking for a better way I would contact a transfer house to see what they may be capable of doing. Another thing worthy of pointing out that reading how they did the conversion they never mentioned using compressor so there are probably better systems at converting the files.
hopefully this helps.
-jeremywearsvans

Problems with PAL/NTSC Conversion

I have a PAL Sony handycam camcorder and Final Cut Express HD installed on my 2004 iBook G4 (both purchased in North America, if that makes any difference)
- I capture both PAL recorded footage (from my camera) and NTSC recorded
footage (from other cameras) in Final Cut
- Whenever capturing I alter the settings in “Easy Setup” to “DV PAL
firewire basic” or “DV-NTSC Firewire Basic” depending on if I’m using PAL
or NTSC footage at the time
-After capturing, when I drag captured clips from the Browser window down
into the Sequence timeline, every clip has to be rendered in the timeline.
This is very time-consuming (rendering can take up to 10minutes for what
might be a 2minute clip); and this happens regardless of my “easy setup”
settings or the regional code of the footage.
-In addition, after a clip has been rendered once, and I then make an
alteration (usually a cut) the clip has be re-rendered
-Also – when PAL footage is rendered and then exported usually frames are
dropped and the image appears choppy.
- Furthermore (and I suspect this is related) the program will not print
to video; and I have tried using both PAL and NTSC cameras. Therefore I
have to export all projects as quicktime files and then burn DVDs.
- Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Marc Griffin

Hi(Bonjour)!
One important thing: FCE sequences's settings have to match your clip's settings.
If you mix PAL material in a NTSC sequence, your material will need rendering and vice versa.
Secondly: PAL format is a 25 FPS material, and NTSC is a 30 (29.97) one.
So when you convert PAL to NTSC, there is a frame rate mismatch, thus the choppy playback.
Your camcorder cannot record PAL material if it's a NTSC model. You need a plugin that converts PAL material to NTSC.
There is a nice plugin pack from Nattress that performs PAL to NTSC conversion with various pulldown options (ie scalling 30 fps to 24 fps by blending frames selectively).
See:
http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconversion.htm
Final Cut Studio 2 (Final Cut Pro 6) will support multiple resolutions sequences (shipping in may), it's a new great feature.
Michel Boissonneault

How should I combine 30 fps clips and 24 fps clips into a project?

I have both 30 fps footage and 24 fps footage and I would like to create a project that has both. Should I create a 30-fps project or a 24-fps project? Which one will look better?

A little bit. Mostly just playing around.
I would start with 30fps so you can preserve the higher frame rate.
Another consideration is how much of your content is 30fps and how much is 24fps.
If you're doing a lot of this kind of thing you may find the FinalCut Pro X handles it better.
Matt
Message was edited by: Matthew Morgan

Smooth Slow Motion from 50 fps Clip in 50 fps Timeline

If I want 50% smooth slow motion from a 50 FPS video clip, I would normally ask PP to interpret that clip as 25 FPS - that works great.
If however I import the 50 FPS video clip and interprett it as 50 FPS, I would have to set the speed of the video clip in the timeline to 50% to get the same level of slow motion.
The question is - when I follow the latter method, does PP create new frames for the slow motion or is it clever enough to use all the frames from the original 50 FPS video clip? to put it another away, does PP always generate NEW frames for slow motion or does it try to use the frames we are attempting to ignore?
I've done some basic tests and so far I can't see any real difference between the two methods. This leads me to beleive PP is effectively using all of the original 50 frames when the 50 fps video clip is imported into a 50 fps timeline and then slowed down in the timeline by 50%. - if this is the case, well done PP!!! If this is not the case, then it would be a welcomed enhancement in future releases.
I guess what you are all wondering is why would I want to import a 50 fps video clip into a 50 fps timeline and then slow it down in the timeline - well, as a wedding Videographer, it is simply because some parts of the video need to be in slow motion and other parts like messages and speeches need to be interpreted at normal speed. If playback in the timeline is at normal speed, i find it simpler to slow down the "Walking Down the Isle" clips rather than having to speed up the speeaches and messages.
In short, when importing 50 fps video for smooth slow motion, are both the following methods equally effective in terms of smooth motion?
Method 1: Import the 50 fps video clip into 25 fps timeline
Method 2: import the 50 fps video clip into 50 fps timeline and set the speed of the video clip in the timeline to 50% - I'm assuming PP does not generate new frames and gets them from the original 50 fps file instead..
To put it another way, does PP ALWAYS attempt to generate new fromes when slowing down video in the timeline? When extra frames are available in the original video file, does PP try to get the extra frames from that file instead of generating new ones?

I recorded 2 video clips of the same scene. The camera was panning from right to left.
First video clip - recorded at 25 fps
second video clip - recorded at 50 fps
Both video clips recorded at the same panning speed of the same scene.
1. If I import the 25 fps video into 25 fps timeline and slow it down by 50%, the exported video looks jerky.
2. If I import the 50 fps video clip into 25 fps timeline, the exported video looks smooth motion.
3. If I import the 50 fps video clip into 50 fps timeline, slow it down in the timeline by 50%, and export the video as 25 fps then the result is still smooth motion.
I've only done the experiment once and may have to repeat to be absolutely sure.

24 fps to 29.97 fps-

I’m in a pickle so to speak. I’m editing an independent feature film shot on super 16mm. The director wanted to go back to negative. So I went through Cinema Tools to do the reverse telecine. I imported the files into FCP and edited everything at 24 fps. Well after much time that has passed I’m ready to hand this over to the sound people. However, the director doesn’t have the budget now to go to film so he wants to online the source tapes.
How do I convert my project/timeline back to 29.97 fps?

Well the film is already edited at 24 fps. Would love to have the online editor deal with the 29.97 fps situation but I know I need to be involved. The director wants this to be at 29.97 fps. Wish he told me that at the start!!!
Right now I have to deal with the sound editor and music composer. The online is several weeks away. I know that in a music video that I edited recently in HD that I edited in 23.98 fps and then converted a guide quicktime video to 29.97 fps for the sound editor. He gave me the audio and it played in sync with my 23.98 fps HD footage.
The problem now is I can't seem to convert my 24 fps to 29.97 fps for the sound editor and composer. I believe that they need to have my guide video at 29.97 fps for them to stay in sync because the final video master will be 29.97 fps.
So how do I get there from here???

NTSC to PAL series conversions.

Hi anyone got any good oil on setting up compressor to run regular NTSC to PAL conversions of 28:30 minute duration series programming?
I am upgrading from FCP 4 to Studio and going to 2GHz dual core G5 from aged G4 Digi Audio 733, and being able to get NTSC on DVCAM, then standards convert downunder would fit the old bottom line requirements for a regular community tv series I am responsible for putting to air. Read; smell of the proverbial oily rag operation. However I read issues with version 2 such as ridiculous render times, etc.
Question; Would it be better to use compressor version 1 until bugs ironed out? Can it be used?
Sagely wisdom greatly appreciated. Regards, ted.
G5 dc 2Ghz, G4 da 733, G3 iBk 900, PCs Mac OS X (10.4.3)

DV PAL is a set data rate - 3.56 MB/s when run at 25 fps.
If you want a smaller file size you have two choices -
1. convert the file to another codec that allows for smaller frame sizes, slower frame rates and increased intra and inter frame compression.
2. If it must be DV/PAL, cut the length of the video to reach your 200mb limit.
Of course there is the third choice of simply giving them the larger file because that's what an un-compromised DV/PAL version of the file will be.
x

Hi-def playback is CHOPPY - 60 FPS to 29.97 FPS????

Hi - I have a Powerbook G4, with 1.67 GHz, and 1.5 GB SDRAM.
I have some AVCHD footage I converted using Voltaic, from the Panasonic HDC-SD9.
Picture is great, color is great, but the playback in iMovie is choppy. Is it simply that my computer cannot handle the huge files? Upon rendering to Quicktime movie, Divx, whatever, the same result: choppy motion.
The original footage is in 60 FPS (but I can only view it from the camera monitor, since there is no way to import to the computer and view in the AVCHD format) and Voltaic is converting to 29.97 FPS, is that where the chokehold is?
This is very frustrating - I have a great computer, and a great camera - and a choppy video!
Look at it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkPykgDWSEs
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks,
Hammydon

The "60i" setting on the camcorder is 60 interlaced fields per second ..which equals 30 full frames per second ..that is the normal US frame rate.
At least, it's called 30 fps for brevity, but it is actually 29.97 frames per sec ..so that's what Voltaic is - supposedly - receiving, and everything is working correctly.
The YouTube video shows a smooth frame rate (..the view of the static buildings isn't interrupted or stuttery..) but there appear to be frames missing within the video: hence the jumps in motion of the cars and bike. That looks like a Voltaic problem: it looks like it's choking on receiving and trying to convert the AVCHD ..because it's underpowered for what you're trying to do.
Your choice of new Mac should work perfectly. HOWEVER, several people have reported problems with iMovie recognising or handling the incoming video from a Panny SD9, whereas there've been no problems with its predecessor SD5 (..mine works OK, for instance, on an Intel-powered Mac - except that conversion to the editable AIC format is slow because I'm using a slow Mac mini).
So you might like to investigate further whether an SD9 behaves OK with Macs.
Note too that only iMovie '08 will natively handle AVCHD video straight from the camcorder, so even with an new Intel Mac, you'd still need to convert your AVCHD with Voltaic if you continue to use iMovie HD 6 (..you posted this question in the iMovie HD 6 Discussions).

1920x1080 30 fps to 1280x720 24 fps

I have a Canon HFS100 and shot video on the highest setting which when imported in IM 09 (full) saves as 1920x1080 @ 30 fps. I would like to save this as 1280x720 24 fps to play on ATV. Is there a way to convert w/out causing "jerky" playback. (in other words - when exported w/ QT - yes you can get a 1280x720 24 fps but playback is noticeably missing the frames from 30 to 24).

I have been using 960x540 and it does look excellent. I only ask because I did import 1280x720 (conversion using quicktime) and although it was "jerky" it appeared as HD (slightly better than 960x540). If the conversion to 24p is not possible, or time consuming & complicated it is probably not worth it.

I want to show 25 fps artifact in 24 fps edit.

When I put a scene shot at 25 fps into an FCPX edit that has a 24 fps basis, there is a grayed-out, checked item in the "Rate Conform" effect box with Frame Sampling set to "Floor". And the final result is that the scene looks fine. No twitch on playback.
But in this case, I don't want fine. I want to see the 25 vs 24 artifact—the once-per-second twitch forward. But it seems that FCPX has its heart set on not showing that artifact.
I've attempted to Retime that clip to "Normal 100%" to see if that helped, but no dice.
How do I get it to fail?
Editing the same clip in iMovie DOES produce the twitch, but the overall image quality is lower.

I'll start you out with the most basic way to achieve this:
1. Create a new title from the Final Cut Title in the project browser.
2. Select the Text and go to the Inspector.
4. At the right side of the Size parameter, click the down facing arrow and go to the Add Parameter Behavior option, then select Randomize from the parameter behaviors.
-When you select this, it should switch you to the behavior tab. The behavior is now applied to the text
6. Set the apply to mode to "Add and Subtract"
7. Set the amount to zero.
8. Publish the Amount parameter.
9. Save your project.
This is the most basic way to achieve what you have described. Now whatever the font size, as you increase the Amount setting in FCPX, the text will randomly scale up/down For example, if you have a font size of 24 and the amount is set to 10, the size will be randomized between 14 and 34.
Again, this is the most basic way to do it and from here there's plenty to play with if you want (Frequency, Noisiness, Smooth or Jumpy). You can start to build rigs to control addtional features. With that, I highly recomend you take the time to start reviewing the documentation and start looking at some online videos. For this case, I'd point you to the sections on Publishing, Rigging and Behaviors.
http://help.apple.com/motion/mac/5.1/
http://help.apple.com/motion/mac/5.1/#motn13748883
http://help.apple.com/motion/mac/5.1/#motn13f20610
http://help.apple.com/motion/mac/5.1/#motn17691fe6

60 fps video become 30 fps in PC

I took some 60 fps videos with my iPhone 6 ,
after sent them to my PC,
they became 30 fps

Hi ColaKenH,
If you are having issues or questions about working with slow motion video from your iPhone 6, you may find the following article helpful:
What to expect when you import slow-motion video from your iPhone, iPad, or iPod to your Mac or PC - Apple Support
Regards,
- Brenden

High fps footage in Low fps project - Conform Speed

Hi Y'all. I'm using the GoPro3 and it shoots beautiful 1080p60. I hope to preserve the integrity of this footage and make it work the most for me with slow-motion in a 30fps project.
1) What frame rate should I export my videos for web viewing, 30fps or 60 fps? Does YouTube or Vimeo have preferred frame rates, or do they take whatever file you have and force it to, say, 30fps?
(For my taste I think that 30fps looks good, i've seen some new TV shows that incorporate 60fps and it looks off to me.. TOO crisp or something, anybody else notice that / feel that way?)
2) If I bring a 60fps clip into a 30fps project, it still retains it's 60fps information correct? If I'm copy and pasting these clips between different projects with different frame rates, i'm not affecting the clip itself, am I?
3) Is there any difference between a) using the 'Conform Speed' command and b) simply retiming 60fps footage in a 30fps project to 50% retime? I wonder if there's any other magic behind the 'Conform Speed' feature that I should be aware of.
Thank you for all your help.
Lovin' FCPX!

3. So what is different between these two actions:
A) conforming 60fps footage to a 30fps project and
B) retiming 60fps footage to 50% in a 30fps project
Is conform simply a mathematical scaling function for retime based upon clip/project framerates (in which actions A and B would have the same result)?
Or do you know if there more too the conform function that i'm not anticipating?

Use 60 fps footage in 24 fps timeline

I will apologize in advance because this is sort of a stupid question but I swear I have been told there is an easy way to do this...
I have a timeline that is in 24 fps. I also have a few shots that are shot at 60 fps. While I could just put the 60 fps clip into the timeline since frames get dropped it looks very intense and jittery. Now, I know I can conform these to 24 fps using cinema tools but that makes them slow motion.
Is there anyway or any programs that will allow me to conform the 60fps footage into 24 fps without turning them to slow motion?

and set everything to BEST...
... then go have a nice dinner at a restaurant with linen table cloths, a good night's sleep, a leisurely breakfast, a late lunch and stop by to check on the process before you start the cycle again.
Best is VERY computationally intensive. I'd start with "Better" in frame controls and see if it gives you acceptable results. If not, then go the "best" - and living large - route.
Cheers,
x

PAL/NTSC conversion for DVDs

Hello All
I recently had some work involving standard conversion of DV PAL material and then burning said material onto DVD. Everybody trying it knows that this is time consuming and doesn't always produce the desired results - for obvious reasons (Methods used by me were the two documented on Dan Slagle's Unofficial iMovie FAQ).
I then had the really "fantastic" idea to tweak the DVD with myDVDedit, by simply setting the IFO parameters to NTSC 720x480. Tested the burned DVD on two different set-top NTSC DVD players - and discarded the whole thing as "silly BS"
Searching through the Net I just found out, that somebody had the same idea using IFOedit (the PC equivalent to myDVDedit) and that the results were mixed, but there were a lot of users that shouted: "great, this works".
Getting a bit confused now, as i had thought this over after my own experiment and had come to the conclusion that it couldn't possibly work.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated
viva la mela

Hi mish,
that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
changing some flags on a ready-made dvd... wow! nice try...- but as Fred said, NTSC<<>>PAL conversions are no trivial tasks... you run into many problems, e.g. where do you get the additonal 5 frames per second you need for a transfer from PAL to NTSC? how to make the audio fit to these new pictures? and, I HAVE to do this silly joke: NTSC has a very different color concept (Never The Same Color) then PAL.. and for sure a different res...
the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

PAL 25 fps conversion to 24 fps.

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for