Party and party without service

Hi,
As per my understanding, the "Party" in IB-Config is mainly used for B2B integration and "Service without Party" is mainly used for A2A integration.
Under B2B scenario, one won't know the details of the application details of the partner's application, therefor we use "Business Service" , similarly for A2A scenario, one has the knowledge of the applications within the same organization and thereyby we use "Business System" in ID.
If my above statement is true ,then why do we have "Business System" under "Party" while defining the Collaboration Profile Objects in Integration Directory and similarly why do we have "Business Service" under "Service without party"?
Thanks
sahil

Hi Sahil,
If you defined Bussines System in SLD with all details ,then we use Bussiness System in IB,its not true that for A2A Scenarios we use Bussiness System ,B2B we use Bussiness Service.
If its possible to define Your Lnadscape Systems in SLD as WebAsABAP or WebAsJAVA in this case we use Bussiness System,in other case we go for Bussiness Servvice.
Regards,
Rraj

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