PCIe SATA Cards for RAID for video: Seritek 2ME4-E vs Sonnet Tempo E4P

Hey Folks,
I'm just about to purchase bigger, faster RAID system for my video editing needs. I've already purchased 1TB Barracudas for the drives and I have decided on the Burly dual PM for the enclosure. http://www.burlystorage.com/ccp0-catshow/burlydualpm.html
The questions is which card? I've had a seritek 2 port card and also their expresscard for years without a problem. But some tests I've seen indicate that the Sonnet is a bit faster. Then again, I know that some people had problems with the firmware at least as recently as last spring.
What do people say? Hatter and Japamac, I'm hoping to hear from you.

FirmTek:
If you would like the ability to support port multiplier enclosures and 3rd party SMART applications, the FirmTek SeriTek/e6G would be my choice for a low cost 2-port 6G controller with these features. This card features hot swap and is also able to hot plug Oxford 936/946 based enclosures without the need for a restart. Installation is easy.
I use the SeriTek/e6G in the 2009 Mac Pro with Mac OS X 10.6.5. The PCIe 2.0 slots in the 2009 model provide optimized performance. >
http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-e6g/
You want a 4x or above card usually, one that has more bandwidth and performance, than those low end 1x 2-port cards that can't drive enough MB/sec to make using multiple drives / multiple enclosures.
Well, seeing you went with Seagate, not my cup of tea, I would have said WD Black Caviar 2TB drives instead.
Sonnet 4-port E4P is what I have used but it or its drivers may be an issue, totally unsure.
PM today is limited by today's drives. When it came out drives were slow by comparison, a mere 75MB/sec while today one drive can shovel 90-125MB/sec or half of what a PM can handle. You only get in real world about 250MB/sec maybe (overhead takes away from that 300MB/sec per port). That means while 6Gb is great, PM enclosures like FirmTek5PM need a new faster PM chip. Again, no idea where that is or when we will see it.
Maybe you should ask about SAS and be looking at even higher end RAID controllers from Areca perhaps.

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Failed Devices : 0
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http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/sonnet/mac-pro/
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http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/firmtek/2se2e/
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http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=667
http://www.qnap.com/prodetail_feature.asp?pid=110
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5. I was considering Chonosync for backing up 3rd level backups
6. I just bought a Blu-Ray drive for 4th level backups that I can send off site.
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8. My neighbor down the hall has a similar setup and is using a Mac Mini to stream things (through Front Row) like Hulu and videos another room to his TV. Mine doesn't seem to stream fast enough. Since I have the MBP that I will use rarely since I got my desktop I was considering using that instead of Apple TV or a Mac Mini but it's too slow? Maybe I set it up wrong?
PLEASE HELP? I don't know what I'm doing.

A few RAID and NAS solutions I've been looking at are the following but I don't really understand what I get with an external device vs an internal? I also don't know which is BETTER? for easy reliable backup.
Hi,
For backup, video work, photography and expanding the Mac Pro storage capability the FirmTek SeriTek/5PM would be my choice. The bundle that you pointed to will work if 130MB/sec. is fastest enogh for your needs. The card is only $70 in the bundle which makes it a nice deal.
http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata5pm2se2.html
If you want 200MB/sec, performance I would go with the Sonnet Tempo E4P or the HighPoint RR 2314 if you desire RAID 5 redundancy.
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/sonnet/mac-pro/
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/highpoint/2314/
Trying to use NAS via the network will be 3-7x slower than the SeriTek/5PM. The SeriTek/5PM is a much better choice for backup, video and photography. NAS is good for low energy, always on, low use server needs. However, you can simply turn Mac OS X file sharing on and the Mac Pro will provide performance faster than any NAS.
Drobo - Why do people even consider this option?
The performance is USB speed even with a FW800 connection.
Users have reported losing data with firmware updates.
And the unit is one of the most expensive, slow performing options available. I cannot image ever wanting a Drobo
Backup Software:
I like SuperDuper. I also like using the "Restore" tab in Disk Utility to clone one disk to another. The key to good backup is to keep it simple and regular.
MyBook - NOT
If your storage needs exceed more than a single FireWire backup disk you really need to go with eSATA. The SeriTek/5PM and the Mac Pro combination provides virtually unlimited storage capabilities as the tray system allows new hard disk sets to be easily loaded or dismounted.
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