Process orders in joint production: variance settlement to CO-PA
Dear all,
During integration test for costing based CO-PA, I have a problem regarding production variance settlement to CO-PA. I am testing CO-PA actual flows for november 2011. When I try to settle process orders with co-products for previous month, the system asks for PA transfer structure. Because of customizing setting for settlement profile being transfered later, previously created process order need to have this info, and i assigned PA structure manually in settlement rule for each process order. When I repeat variance settlement, only for process orders with co-product, the system still asks for this information, although I already had assigned PA structure to this order.
please give some advice.
Thanks Dusko
Hi
You may have 2 settlement rules for CO Products... So ensure you enter PA Trf Str at all the places... This error is never thrown by SAP w/o valid reason
br, Ajay M
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Production Variance Settlement.
Hello friends,
Hope you all are well!
Is there anyway that I can settle the production variances into different GL accounts at the same time? For example I have $1000 as the variances on my order. It is further divided into $200 for material another $800 for material overheads.
This $1000 is posted into a price difference gl a/c when settled. I would like to capture only the material cost i.e. $200 and post it into a different account. Is that possible? If so, how please explain.
Your help is much appreciated
Regards
ShivHi Shiv
Try this if it helps u in addition to KOB3
For variance analysis you can use report S_ALR_87013127 - in Object list node in cost object controlling.
This is one of the best available reports u can use since it gives variances for all order types in all plants and company codes
Once u select the parameters, go to the layout and select all variances fields listed and save your layout so that u dont have to do it everytime.
I have been providing this to clients and is used for analysis and corrections to orders etc.
Also, there are quite a few reports not only on variance analysis but on WIP but in most of these reports the selection parameter is a single order instead of all orders for a plant which limits the usage.
Let me know if you need any more clarifications
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WIP status (RESA) not updated for process order with co-product
Hi,
We are facing the scenario below, please confirm whether item 2 behaviour is standard SAP.
1. Process order with settlement rule MAT - after WIP calculated, status RESA is updated & FI document it posted.
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Thank you.Self found answer
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Production Variance settlement to COPA
Hi Experts,
Here I have scenario regarding the production variance.
production requirement is 100 units
but the actual produced quantity is 110 units.
here we have a production variance of 10 units
Which is reflecting the report as following
My COGS is 10000 Rs
Split of the COGS
input material is 11000 Rs
labour is 200 Rs
machine is 300 Rs
Here my COGS posted to GL account is less than the actual production, which is posted as per the sales order
Here where do i get the production variance, how to find out the quantiy variance and price
Please help
Regards,
RamHi
Execute KKS1 / 2.. After that settle the prod order to COPA from KO88....
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Br, Ajay M -
Process Order tables and Production System Performance
Hi All,
What are the different tables of Process order? Also how do i know which table affects the system performance of Production system and to what extent if Change Logging is made active ?
The issue is in our clients place we would like to set the Change Logging ( Records changes made for any transaction ) for Process orders and we would like to know to which tables change logging should be made active so that Production system performance is not affected.
Please help me regarding this.
Thanks in Advance,
Neetha Avani.All the changes done in any transaction are saved in CDPOS table.
when there is any report developed based on this table then the performance will be very slow.
Tables used for process orders are
AFKO Order header data PP orders
AFPO Order item
AFRU Order Confirmations
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AFRV Confirmation pool
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Process Order COR2, main product + co-product automatic lots creation
Hello Gurus, I'm a programmer but before starting the enhancment of standard I want to be sure that there is no other solution (in customizing)
I have the following situation
Maint Product A
Co-product B
Current situtation
I have a process order in COR2, when the process order is released and than saved automatic inspection lot is created only for Maint Product A
Requiered situation
Requiered situation is that while process order release also the inspection lot for Co-product B should be created
Is there any chance to do it using customizng
At the moment for both materials A and B there is the same inspection type assinged and the orgin type is '04' and also the control of inspection lot creation is set to 'Y'.
Is there any chance to change sometihg (inspection type, orgin type, something in MM)
NOTE: I would like to do it without doing a GR for Co-product B but exactly have a lot for Co-Product after releasing PO in COR2 like it is for Main Product now
I will really appreciate your notes
Thank you in advance Bogumila
Edited by: Bogumila Wendt-Rybak on Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AMI dont think we can have a inspection lot created automatically for the co-products upon the Order creation .i.e release...
U would have to make it via enhancement... also i believe u can customize a separte inspection type and then use it to create inspection lot..
hope this helps.
regards
csn -
Missing Process order components in product View
Dear all,
We have a problem with Process order in APO.
We have created a planned order in APO and converted to process order . All the components of the order are APO relevant and PPM is having all the components . When We create the planned order , RRP3 is showing all the components but when we convert the planned order to process order , then the components are missing in product view . But all the components are available in Process order in ECC . We deleted the process order in APO and again CIF the order from ECC to APO , but still the components are not appearing . We need to have all the components of the order to plan the dependent demands.
We checked the Queues and found no blocked queues .
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Thanks & Regards
PrabhakarHi Prabhakar,
How are you integrating your production order - like are you sending the planned order to ECC and convert there or you are not transferring the planned order to ECC, but setting the conversion indicator in APO?
If you don't integrate the planned order to ECC, then all the components will be displayed in APOby exploding APO PDS - no active integration model required for components.
If you integrate the planned order to ECC, then in ECC, the BOM explosion happens. - So, active integration model required.
Regards,
Manimaran M. -
CO Substituion for Production order variance settlement
Hi,
In make to order production, Our client requirement was not to settle variances to sales order but directly to COPA.
We cannot use variance categories in settlement profile/PA transfer structure as we have transfer pricing setup and direct settlement of variances categories to COPA updates only legal view of COPA and not profit center view of COPA.
Therefore variance GL account was created as cost element in our case.
Now that client wants to settle variances to sales order for certain plants and directly to COPA in certain plants.
Therefore i tried with a CO substitution to clear sales order assignment for the variance GL and then in OKB9 i have set up PSG as default account assignment.
Now when i run the settlement, in debug mode i am able to see that the substitution works and clears the sales order assignment, but when i see the FI document posted, it still has SO assignment. No COPA document is triggered and a controlling document on sales order is posted.
Why does substitution not work for variance settlement in case of MTO process.
Regards
RaghuHi Ajay,
I used user exit OKC9 as suggested in SAP note 183250 (last paragraph) and SAP note 105024.
With the user exit, we have cleared the Sales order information and also called OKB9 as per the note 105024.
Now the settlement document is generated without Sales order assignment. A PSG is generated but no cost based COPA document. We also use account based copa. In controlling document, i can see PSG is updated as cost object against the variance GL.
Why does not Cost based COPA automatically generated.
We have FI settlement profile properly maintained. With a manual posting to this GL, i can see cost based copa document.
Accounting document before changes to user exit has following object
Dt 40600 Change in Stock, Prd Order
Ct 44760 Production Variance, Sales Order
Accounting document after changes to user exit has following objects
Dt 40600 Change in Stock, Prd Order
Ct 44760 Production Variance, Material & PSG
In the user exit, i have cleared the material from COBL, still it appears in the posting
Regards
Raghu
Edited by: Raghu Ram Thatavarthy on Nov 25, 2011 1:19 PM -
Process order settlement driven by T030 & TKA3C vs settlement from recipe
We settle all process order cost (consumption, production, and variances) to the cost center (or P&L). These settlements are driven by a hard coded structure (by valuation class) and tables T030 & TKA3C.
I suggest that this is not common SAP practice. This is certainly not SAP best practice. I believe this has resulted in the proliferation of valuation classes and cost elements (in order to settle production differently.) Does it make sense to have over 300 valuation classes? Can you please confirm?
I suggest that we only need to settle production order variances and activity cost! The correct settlement should be defined as part of the resource (and recipe group). We already define this but they have no consequence because of the configuration of our SAP. Should settlement should be recipe driven and not material driven! It would not mater what the valuation class of the consumed materials, or the produced materials. Settlement would be defined by the resource attached to the recipe.
How does SAP overide the resource (cost center), and activity (cost center) attached to the recipe with tables T030 & TKA3C?The forum [FPM - General|Enterprise Performance Management (SAP EPM); in which you originally posted your question deals mainly with the financial performance applications otherwise known as Enterprise Performance Management (EPM) carrying the BusinessObjects brand. Your question pertains to SAP [ERP Financials Controlling|SAP ERP Financials - Controlling; which is covered by another forum. Therefore your message has been moved. Please adjust any bookmarks you might have and post to the appropriate area in the future, that way you are assured you will have the right audience reading your posts.
Thanks and best regards,
[Jeffrey Holdeman|http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/profile/Jeffrey+Holdeman]
SAP Labs, LLC
BusinessObjects Division
Americas Applications Regional Implementation Group (RIG) -
Should we use only one process order for each CO-product?
Dear All,
We have process orders. One process order opens per day.
Now we need to use CO-products and calculate actual cost of goods manufactured for them.
Suppose we have 30 process orders. We have specified Apportionment Structure in Material Master.
Then when we create process order we define actual Apportionment Structure in setllement rule as well.
After we have setlled all process orders would Material Ledger/ Actual costing run consider this Apportionment Structures from all 30 process orders?
I heard opinion from Consultant from SAP that it will not work.
Has anyone heard anything?
Best regards,
Kamila.Hi Evgeniy,
Thanks for response
But we use process orders, not CO-production orders.
We open process order each day because management wants to have information about KPI of each schift.
We have defined in material master apportionment structure, When we create process order we define apportionment structure in settlement rule as well.
When we settle process orders our cost distributes to finished good and CO-product according with this apportionment structure.
But when we run ckmlcp ML/actual costing doesn't distribute raw material's price differences and Semifinished good's price differences according with this apportionment structure.
What can we do here?
Best regards,
Kamila. -
Is there any soln to display production line for process order in COOISPI?
HI,
When we run COOISPI for planned orders, the field MDV01 "Production Line" populates correctly (based on the value in the production version associated with the planned order). However, you run COOISPI for process orders, that same field is now blank.
Any pointer on how to display MDV01 in case of Process order.
Thanks in advanceThanks for your reply. my requirement is to populate the field value of production line in the CIOISPI report. I have production line assigned to production version. It does display if you see the results for Planned order but not for process order and the 'production line' field remains blank. More importantly i am trying to display the results for the same production version in case of process order,
Can you plz provide me any pointers or the way we can have production line value if want to display COOISPI for process order.
Regards,
Nitin -
Cost of UNBW Material in Process Order
Dear Gurus,
We have created UNBW Material for Raw Water used in our production process.
(Since we dont want any accounting effect of the raw water we have created it as UNBW Material)
Now when I do costing of product X which uses raw water the cost of raw water is getting added to arrive at the standard cost of product X.
But in the process order report "KOB1" though PP has confirmed the material the cost of it is not calculated.
Please guide how to bring the cost of raw water in the actual process order report of product X.
Thanks and Regards,
Amit DhanurdhariHi,
As you have mentioned that it is a UNBW material, it carries no value and in real time absorbed as some expenses.
There is no price for this material and there is no account to capture the consumption as this material goes directly
to expense account. Apart from that you require that no fi entry is needed. Let me put in this way now.
Create Raw Water Consumption as a secondary cost element. Create Activity type Raw Water and assign this
cost element. Define activity price for this activity type for a cost center through KP26. Assign this activity in
a work center (this material need not figure in BOM).In OKTZ cost component structure enter this cost element
and assign it to Cost Center/Order. In this you have only CO postings for the cost estimate and no fi postings.
Regards,
Sadashivan -
Actual Cost & Quantity not update in Process Order
HI,
Process order confirmed from Production person before maintain the actity price rate.
hence those confirmation are gone in to the error & found in t.code COFC
afterword the activity rates are maintained & we reprocess those confirmation thorugh COFC, now there is no COFC entries
but still actual quantity & cost not updated.Hi Ajay
'Z_UPD_ACT_IN_OPR_UNICODE in the note 736018.... Ask your ABAPer to implement the program and execute the same
You may need to raise an OSS message incase the program is not available to download
BR,Ajay M -
Process Order For continuous manufacturing
Hello friends;
I am implementing SAP in a process industry where manufacturing is a continuous process without any batch. We dont have any intermediate product.Raw material is continuously provided without any break . Production stops when all raw material finsh i.e. after 6 to 7 months.Raw material passes through different phases and we get finished product.It is not possible to trace the material.Phase has specific process prameters.Parameters changes
acc.to quality of raw material.we have to maitain all parameters constant by adding chemical or supplying heat.
I am going to create single process order for whole production.So, how can map these process parameters?Is it useful to create one PI sheet for whole production period?All process parameters have to maintain constant through out production,then what is the use of PI sheet?
Please guide me.
Thanks!!!!Hi,
You have only one stage process wright, so is there any GMP (good manufacturing practices or ISO ) if you are maintaining this quality management systems , differently you need to maintain a batch management, so that it is easy to traceable the material.
your process there is a different Phases better to go PI sheets it will be helpful only at Yelids and Inprocess controls.
If you share the more inforamtion on the process so we can able to give some more suggestions.
Thanks and regards
E.Rambabu -
Hi,
I am trying to create a process order from a planned order. I have generated the planned order through MRP run. The process order that is generating taking process order type which is not desired. I want to know from where it takes the process order type while creating process order from a planned order. i have given the desired process order type in production scheduling profile i.e. TS03. but it is taking PI01. i want the type as TS03
the screen shot given below.
thanks in advance.Hi Swastik,
Check to which planning strategy (MTS or MTO) you assigned the order type in the prod. scheduler profile. Make sure you use the same in the material master MRP 3 view.
Also check whether you have assigned the prod. scheduler profile in the material master work scheduling view.
Regards
Suri Pratyush
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