Profit centre derivation rule to derive profit centre based in Business plc

Hi,
We required "profit centre derivation rule to derive profit centre based in Business place + 9000 in such case were vendor & customers are involved and current profit center derivation logic doesnu2019t work."
For this we have mapped a substitution pertaining to all co. codes based on all the relevant posting keys for Vendor and Customer where in system will replace the profit center based on business place given in line item as Business Place + 9000. For happening this we have written a User Exit and attached the same with this substitution through t.code OBBH. Entire hting we mapped in our testing client.
But now the problem is whatever posting keys we have defined in our substitution are being used in normal payment and clearing also.
Eg : In payment document vendor is debited vide posting key No 25. where the profit centre is derived based on the invoice that gets selected.
In Normal Payment and clearing transactions, the profit centre is derived based on the profit center in offsetting line items (as per New GL Logic) currently.
Now our business requires that where ever the system is unable to derive a profit centre for vendor and customer (And giving the error " Balancing field profit center in line item 001 not filled") transactions, then at that time profit center for that line item should replace with logic Business Place + 9000 (here business place is the business place contained by that line item in which error is coming for profit center.).
How to map the same in the system through substitution / exit or any other method? Awaiting for your inputs pls. Thanks in advance.
Tapan

Still not answered.
Requesting to give some clue for the same.
Thanks & Regards,
Tapan

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Please check this user exits available for VF01.
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we have an issue in profit center acccounting. Balance sheet account Vat input tax payable is picking dummy profit center instead of correct profit center. Basically we are doing the following steps. 1. Purchase order creation 2. Goods received via migo 3. invoice receipt via miro
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Short text
Calculate Balance Sheet Adjustment
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