RoHS (lead free) in MSI boards

Does anybody know for sure, if new MSI boards are being manufactured using standard SnPb solder, or only with the lead free one?
Since MSI claims that their motherboards use Military Grade III components (i.e. highly reliable), they should use the SnPb solder as the most reliable solution too.
(Military devices have an exception from the RoHS directive)
I just bought the ZH77A-G43 board, so I wonder if it lasts at least for 5-10 years.

Quote from: redfox on 18-March-13, 23:11:58
Does anybody know for sure, if new MSI boards are being manufactured using standard SnPb solder, or only with the lead free one?
Since MSI claims that their motherboards use Military Grade III components (i.e. highly reliable), they should use the SnPb solder as the most reliable solution too.
(Military devices have an exception from the RoHS directive)
I just bought the ZH77A-G43 board, so I wonder if it lasts at least for 5-10 years.
The conventional Sn60/Pb40 and Sn63/Pb37 solders are not used by any hardware manufacturer for a long time ago.
It's not only about the WEEE/RoHS directives.
It's more about melting points and oxidation.
But don't waste your time with all of these.
In our local "museum" we have this mainboard: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/815-Pro.html
It's 12 years old, it doesn't understand the "Military Class" concept, but it's still working just fine !!!

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Quote from: valgusepoiss on 20-July-14, 13:15:48
I just upgraded my PC to Devils Canyon and h87-g41 pc mate. Everything is working fine... except i cant see my installed case fans and they are running on max (i assume) and making a lot of noise.
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Only fan it detects is the aux fan at the back of the fan and controls it automatically.
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