Sequence to Sequence 3 point edit

I am a FCP Newbie, Avid long time lover.
FCP is nice, but has it's moments.
These forums are great.
I have been working on a project now for two months and have learnt from the manuals and the "FCP for Avid editors" PeachpitPress book (a god send).
My question is this,
I hate the FCP subclip function so I prefer to go through my cutaway tapes and create a sequence that has all the best shots.
This way I can pre-create short sequences of shots, and save time wading through wilds when cutting.
I set F9 & F10 to "insert sequence content" and "overwrite sequence content" so that I don't end up with sequences in sequences when I final cut.
All goes well when I edit, except for three point edits.
FCP can't load sequences into the timeline from the Viewer (Avid has this handy feature so you can easily edit from one seq to another, and make navigating through footage easier!),
so I load a seq into the viewer, scrub to a clip I want,
and press 'mark clip'.
I see that it has marked the in and out for my selected clip; good.
Then I go to my timeline and find where I want the shot to END
(sometimes I know where a cutaway should end, rather then a start point),
so I mark the end point.
Next I press overwrite,
Now I would expect the shot to lay nicely where I marked an end.
But it does not,
it rather inserts ALL the shots from the viewer sequence (from the in point to the end of it's sequence), and it puts them at the start of my timeline!
Am I doing something wrong?
Has anyone found a way to make FCP behave with three point edit from seq to seq?

this is a circuitous way to work in FCP.
How so?
I am interested in a simpler or faster way of working with cutaways and footage.
I am working on documentaries with 10s of hours of unscripted footage.
There is base voiceovers and interviews that need to be covered with cutaways and recreations.
I spend time watching all the footage and found that if I break it into subclips it turns into bins full of 100s of subclips.
So I have to label each one to differentiate them.
This takes a long time to give each one a different title.
Or I could look at the small thumbnails, but then inevitably it shows the wrong frame or doesn't give me an idea of what movement it contains.
Loading each into the viewer to view them is slow going when I could just scrub through a sequence timeline of good shots.
Mini-select timelines allow me to create much fewer clips in a bin to view.
I name the sequence as to what cutaways they refer.
And again I can pre-create small sequences, or place them in an order that is not alphabetical.
I find the subclip limits annoying very often.
When I am breaking up my wilds I select the exact duration of a clip that looks nice
(I can fairly well spot how long a shot looks good before it misses it's target, or doesn't suit the style of edit).
But sometimes I need to extend it, or often add dissolves in the sequence in one of the many tweaking stages of editing; subclip limits are really annoying then.
Is there a way to always remove subclip limits when they are inserted in a sequence?

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I hadn't noticed this before (due to my workflow with titles, multicam and timecode settings, I probably never would have either). But I can reproduce it on my system (PrPro CS5).
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Hi there,
first of all I'd like to say thank you Adobe for listening to your users. And I hope this one gets noticed right away....:
It appears that 3 point editing ist not working correctly.
Right now I'm editing a video and I heavily rely on 3 point editing.
I have quite a lot XDCAM EX 50i clips which are all in one sequence that is used as source.
Coming from tape workflows I really don't like clicking clip after clip...I need to edit
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Come on guys, that is essential editing stuff, not fancy speech detection blabla...sorry but this is mega-annoying right now....
It says "Pro" right after "Premiere". So please make it pro! Professionals need ROCK SOLID essential functions.
Make us editors happy having switched from Avid/FCP etc.
Make essential stuff rock solid. That's what makes an app "pro".
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bmfm_ wrote:
I have quite a lot XDCAM EX 50i clips which are all in one sequence that is used as source.
Now fortunately one can choose to either have a sequence as source edited in nested or as individual tracks. Very nice!
Very bad is that 3 point editing only works when "nested" is activated. Again, very bad!
Hi bmfm,
I think I know what's going on. The behavior you describe happens when you try to edit back into your original sequence. Can try making a new sequence to cut your selects into? See the page in help for details: http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/edit-sequences-loaded-source-monitor.html
Thanks,
Kevin

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Hello,
So I am exerpiance a very stange problem, with a very simple operation, and I have no idea why this is happening. I am using a three-point eidt to cover some heavy breaths in a voice over. I have 20 seconds or so of roomtone loaded into my source viewer. The roomtone has an in point a few frames in (to leave room for a transition) and no out point. On my timeline, I create an in and out point, around the audio I want to cover. The gap I am covering is usually only a few frames, a quick inhale, or weird mouth noise. I have done this, many times no problem.
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The room tone clip I use has video, but normally, don't patch it to the timeline. I noticed that when I did patch the video in, the correct number of frames where placed on the timeline. So I added an extra track above all the others, turned visibility for that track off, and patch the video there. When I was done with that sequence, I simply deleted the extra track.
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This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
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Make a four-point edit
In a Project panel, double-click a clip to open it in the Source Monitor.
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In the Program Monitor, mark an In point and an Out point in the sequence.
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To perform an insert edit, click the Insert button
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To perform an overlay edit, click the Overlay button .

Thank you Todd. I appreciate it. Next time I will leave a comment in the help document. I wasn't sure if it would be seen there.
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Hello folks,
I'm a long time FCP 7 and Avid editor currently using 8.2 for two short form museum films and have been running into all sort of questions. This one comes up multiple times a day. I tried to search for this here but didn't find my exact issue or answers.
I am trying to do a four point edit and I keep getting the "Insufficient Content for Edit" error. My source is marked in and out for 5 sec and my timeline in and out is marked for 8 sec. Four points total. I have already checked the Ignore Source Out point in the Fit Clip window and have checked the "Remember" box as well. My source definitely have enough footage to fill the marked 8 sec in the timeline. So why isn't PP ignoring the source out point when I commit the edit? Of course, I works properly if I go to the Source window and remove the out point manually but that's a pain and shouldn't be the way. Is PP not capable of this? or Am I doing something wrong? What is the point of the "Ignore Source Out Point" if it doesn't apply to this very common situation?
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CHL

I think I know what the issue is.
When the Fit Clip dialog opens for me and the source is shorter than the destination, "Ignore Source In Point" and "Ignore Source Out Point" are grayed out. In other words, when the source is shorter than the destination, my only option is to ignore sequence in or out points.
If my source is longer than my destination then it allows me to check ignore source in or out. However, if I have Premiere remember this choice, when I try to insert a source clip that is shorter than the destination, I get the error that you get.
It's obviously a terrible setup and shouldn't be like this, but that's why it's happening.

THree point edit but with 4 video timelines

I have 4 video time lines. Video line 3 has a gap i want to fill with a clip using a 3 point edit. I put the v1 selector on V3, No mater what instructions i follow from the manual I cannot get the clip into the space on track 3. WHen i do a mark clip instead of marking the time line for in and out points , the background clips that are actually locked from changes are marked. Nothing shows up as marked on the timeline it self - only the canvas. Every time i try to drag the new clip in i see a solid red line show up underneath the numbers on the timeline and it looks like stuff is splattered everywhere. THe only thing i find that is even close to working is fit to fill
BUT in doing the fit to fill -- surprise surprise -- a 70 second clip is squoze down to fit into a 15 second space - so that really doesn't help me.
I am lost about how a 3 point edit should actually work in that case. any help would be appreciated.

Set V3 as the target edit track as you've done. Put the playhead over the gap on V3. Option click the autoselect button on V3. That should autoselect that track and deselect the other tracks. Option click the autoselect button on the corresponding audio track that has a gap. Press the X key. This should mark the gap with In and Out points. Do an overwrite edit to fill the gap.
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What Exactly Is A 3 Point Edit?

Terminology is not one of my stronger points.
For years I have been reading about "3 point editing" in books and on the forums but it has simply gone straight in and straight out!
It certainly sounded a grandiose and complex procedure to me but I never got round to clarifying exactly what it was.
Yesterday, I once again heard it mentioned when my concentration was slipping and later decided that today was the day for final clarification.
Looking again through Tom's and Lisa's various books, it appeared that it simply meant inserting In and Out points in the Viewer and dragging the clip to the Timeline either directly or via the Canvas overlays, something which I have been doing for years.
Is this the case? Is it that simple?

This is one of those things that is so easy to explain if I were sitting next to you at the editor, but so difficult to explain via a post, but here goes:
You can successfully edit in FC if you do *any 3* of the following four:
Set an In point on the Source Footage
Set an Out point on the Source Footage
Set an In point on the Timeline
Set an Out point on the Timeline
So . . . .
If I mark an In and an Out on my Timeline, I can load a clip in the viewer and just mark the Out point - where I want that source clip to end - and when I click the overwrite button, FC will line up the out from the source with the out on the timeline and fill with material from the source back to the in on the timeline automatically.
OR
If I load an clip into the viewer, and know where I want it to start and stop, I can mark the in and out point on the viewer, and then mark an In on the timeline and when I click overwrite, the FC will line up the two in points and write material from the source until the outpoint set in the viewer.
3 of the 4 points are all that is required to make a successful edit.
When NLE's first came on market, this feature was not there - so doing the following would require workarounds:
Let's say you have a music track on the timeline, and mark an in on the downbeat of measure 16 and want the edit to carry to where the music climaxes on measure 22. You mark your out at the end of measure 22. Now you load up your source footage of a football game, and you want the ball to land in the net right before the end of measure 22. You don't care where you pick up the play action, as long as the football hits the net right before your out on the timeline. Then you can set your out on the source footage exactly where you want it, and now you have 3 points set - the in and out on the timeline, and the out on the source footage, so when you overwrite it to the timeline, it will place the end of the source scene where you wanted and fill backwards to the in point back on measure 16.
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Three point editing problems

HI,
I am completely new to video editing. I have bought the book "Final Cut Express 4, Movie Making for Everyone, Apple Pro Training Series", and am slowly working my way through it.
I have come to the part about three point editing, but I can't replicate what is happening in the book, and I can't see where I'm going wrong.
I have marked an In point and an Out point on the timeline, and then mark an in (or out) point on the clip in the viewer, but when I drag the clip from the viewer into the timeline it is not constrained to the In and Out points on the timeline, and the full length of the marked clip from the viewer is inserted.
If I mark both the In and Out point in the viewer, and then mark either an In or Out point in the timeline it works OK.
I'm sure I'm doing something quite basic wrong but I can't find out what it is,
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Julie

Thanks a lot, i've just checked the book and it actually says that, I must have overlooked it, I guess I should read a bit more carefully.

3 point edit

Apparently I forgot how to do a 3-point edit, or least what I remember as one. In the old FCP you could put an in and out point in the timeline and an in point on the clip and FCP would adjust the time to make the clip fit in the space you told to. Is there a way to do this in FCP X?
Thanks,

Hey Tom. Well... I checked back in a tutorial I have (Rippletraining) and I was reminded of what I was speaking to in this post:
There are, of course, TWO types of 3-point edits:
1.) Wherein you have "in" and "out" points in the "source" (event) video, and then ONE "in" point in the "record" (timeline) video.
Conversely...
2.) Wherein you have your "in" and "out" points in the timeline, while just ONE "in" point up in the source video. (event library.)
FCPX suggests you use the "range" tool in the latter example; It calculates the duration to figure the "out" point for the source video. That's the way I learned it. But, I'm sure, as with all programs, there are multiple ways to skin this cat. But, when I'm doing a 3-point edit, without knowing the "OUT" for my source (event library) material, I mouse over to the "range" tool.
Peace.

Two Point Edits?

I've been an Avid editor for years and I'm learning FCP. I want to be able to have a mark in and a mark out on the timeline and then make an edit from wherever the clip is parked on the source side. In other words, I don't want to have to "mark in" every time on the source clip. Is this possible? Thanks.

FCP will use the playhead in the TIMELINE as an IN point but not the viewer. The OP asked about the source side which is Avid-speak for the Viewer. If you have to IN or OUT marked in the Viewer and perform a regular overwrite or insert you get the first frame of the clip and not where the playhead is sitting. At least that's what happens on mine. If you do a REPLACE then FCP does use the playhead. It's more like the sync-point-editing feature in Avid if anyone remembers that.
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