SMPTE TimeCode Format In AE CS5.5 - Tenths Of Seconds?

Hi,
Is the SMPTE TimeCode format in AE CS5.5 customisable so that it can be changed from HH:MM:SS:FF to give tenths and one hundredths of a second rather than the frame count to the right of the seconds counter ( ...SS:nn)?
I have it inserted into a video clip where it is counting upwards as:
00:00:29:23
00:00:29.24
00:00:30:00
For a 25fps video after the 24th frame in the 29th second it jumps to 30.00 seconds. The 24th frame is equal to .96 seconds so my question is can it be configured to display 00:00:29.96 where all units are time units and not intermingled time and frame units.
I have migrated to AE from Premiere Pro in the understanding that the TimeCode is more user friendly in AE but it seems to be the same locked format as it is in Premiere Pro.
I know that I can purchase the DVdate plugin but hope to be able to resolve the format without the need for another purchase.
Any help most appreciated.
Rgds

Rick,
Thank you for the explanation and the screen capture.
Can the text layer be saved internally so that it is available to other projects or does it have to be created every time the timer is required. If I have a series of events that need the timer inserting, then if the text layer can be saved it will be of benefit. I can see a pitfall in saving the text layer for future use whereby the starting frame needs to be deifned each time but that is a very quick edit if the text layer is available as a preconfigured object.
The working environment in which I am hoping to use the timers consists of up to 12 events in one *ts recorded video stream and my aim is to insert 12 timers, one per event, into an edited version of the *ts recorded video stream before re-rendering the final output.
I have another issue whereby AE CS5.5 seems to be unable to open the *ts recorded files whereas Premiere Pro will open the files, however, that is an issue for another topic.......
Rgds

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