Spatial Queries Not Always Producing Accurate Results

Hi,
Spatial queries are not always producing accurate results. Here are the issues. We would appreciate any clarification you could provide to resolve these issues.
1. When querying for points inside a polygon that is not an MBR (minimum bounded rectangle), some of the coordinates returned are not inside the polygon. It is as though the primary filter is working, but not the secondary filter when using sdo_relate. How can we validate that the spatial query using sdo_relate is using the secondary filter?
2. SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT returns true when validating geometries even though we find results that are invalid.
3. Illegal geodetic coordinates can be inserted into a table: latitude > 90.0, latitude < -90.0, longitude > 180.0 or longitude < -180.0.
4. Querying for coordinates outside the MBR for the world where illegal coordinates existed did NOT return any rows, yet there were coordinates of long, lat: 181,91.
The following are examples and information relating to the above-referenced points.
select * from USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA
TABLE_NAME      COLUMN_NAME      DIMINFO(SDO_DIMNAME, SDO_LB, SDO_UB, SDO_TOLERANCE)      SRID
LASTKNOWNPOSITIONS      THE_GEOM SDO_DIM_ARRAY(SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('X', -180, 180, .05), SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('Y', -90, 90, .05))      8307
POSITIONS     THE_GEOM SDO_DIM_ARRAY(SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('X', -180, 180, .05), SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('Y', -90, 90, .05))      8307
Example 1: Query for coordinates inside NON-rectangular polygon includes points outside of polygon.
SELECT l.vesselid, l.latitude, l.longitude, TO_CHAR(l.observationtime,
'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') as obstime FROM lastknownpositions l where
SDO_RELATE(l.the_geom,SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 8307, NULL,
SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY(-98.20268,18.05079,-57.30101,18.00705,-57.08229,
54.66061,-98.59638,32.87842,-98.20268,18.05079)),'mask=inside')='TRUE'
This query returns the following coordinates that are outside of the polygon:
vesselid : 1152 obstime : 2005-08-24 06:00:00 long : -82.1 lat : 45.3
vesselid : 3140 obstime : 2005-08-28 12:00:00 long : -80.6 lat : 44.6
vesselid : 1253 obstime : 2005-08-22 09:00:00 long : -80.0 lat : 45.3
Example 2a: Using SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT
Select areaid, the_geom,
SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT(the_geom, 0.005) from area where
areaid=24
ResultSet:
AREAID THE_GEOM(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,
SDO_ORDINATES) SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT(THE_GEOM,0.005)
24 SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 8307, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1), SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY(-98.20268, 18.05079, -57.30101, 18.00705, -57.08229, 54.66061, -98.59638, 32.87842, -98.20268, 18.05079)) TRUE
Example 2b: Using SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT
Select positionid, vesselid, the_geom,
SDO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT(the_geom, 0.005) from positions where vesselid=1152
ResultSet:
POSITIONID VESSELID THE_GEOM(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z),
SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES) DO_GEOM.VALIDATE_GEOMETRY_WITH_CONTEXT(THE_GEOM,0.005)
743811 1152 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-82.1, 45.3, NULL), NULL, NULL) TRUE
743812 1152 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-82.1, 45.3, NULL), NULL, NULL) TRUE
743813 1152 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-80.2, 42.5, NULL), NULL, NULL) TRUE
743814 1152 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-80.2, 42.5, NULL), NULL, NULL) TRUE
Example 3: Invalid Coordinate values found in POSITIONS table.
SELECT p.positionid, p.latitude, p.longitude, p.the_geom FROM positions p
WHERE p.latitude < -180.0
2 lines from ResultSet:
POSITIONID LATITUDE LONGITUDE THE_GEOM(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES)
714915 -210.85408 -79.74449 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-79.74449, -210.85408, NULL), NULL, NULL)
714938 -211.13632 -79.951256 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(-79.951256, -211.13632, NULL), NULL, NULL)
SELECT p.positionid, p.latitude, p.longitude, p.the_geom FROM positions p
WHERE p.longitude > 180.0
3 lines from ResultSet:
POSITIONID LATITUDE LONGITUDE THE_GEOM(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES)
588434 91 181 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(181, 91, NULL), NULL, NULL)
589493 91 181 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(181, 91, NULL), NULL, NULL)
589494 91 181 SDO_GEOMETRY(2001, 8307, SDO_POINT_TYPE(181, 91, NULL), NULL, NULL)
Example 4: Failure to locate illegal coordinates by querying for disjoint coordinates outside of MBR for the world:
SELECT p.vesselid, p.latitude, p.longitude, p.the_geom,
TO_CHAR(p.observationtime, 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') as obstime,
SDO_GEOM.RELATE(p.the_geom, 'determine',
SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 8307, NULL,SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY(-180.0,-90.0,180.0,-90.0,180.0,90.0,
-180.0,90.0,-180.0,-90.0)), .005) relationship FROM positions p where
SDO_GEOM.RELATE(p.the_geom, 'disjoint', SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 8307,
NULL,SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY(-180.0,-90.0,180.0,-90.0,180.0,90.0,-80.0,90.0,
-180.0,-90.0)),.005)='TRUE'
no rows selected
Carol Saah

Hi Carol,
1) I think the results are correct. Note in a geodetic coordinate system adjacent points in a linestring or polygon are connected via geodesics. You are probably applying planar thinking to an ellipsoidal problem! I don't have time to do the full analysis right now, but a first guess is that is what is happening.
2) The query window seems to be valid. I don't think this is a problem.
3) Oracle will let you insert most anything into a table. In the index, it probably wraps. If you validate, I think the validation routines will tell you is is illegal if you use the signature with diminfo, where the coordinate system bounds are included in the validation.
4) Your query window is not valid. Your data is not valid. As the previous reply stated, you need to have valid data. If you think in terms of a geodetic coordinate system, you will realize that -180.0,-90.0 and 180.0,-90.0 are really the same point. Also, Oracle has a rule that polygon geometries cannot be greater than half the surface of the Earth.
Hope this helps.

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current rows
Parse 1 0.00 0.00 0 92
Execute 1 0.00 0.00 0 22
Fetch 1 0.00 0.00 38 236
total 3 0.00 0.00 38 350
Misses in library cache during parse: 1
Optimizer goal: CHOOSE
Parsing user id: 37 (NAGYE)
Rows Row Source Operation
12 TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID ROADELEMENT_MBR
178 DOMAIN INDEX
Rows Execution Plan
0 SELECT STATEMENT GOAL: CHOOSE
12 TABLE ACCESS GOAL: ANALYZED (BY INDEX ROWID) OF
'ROADELEMENT_MBR'
178 DOMAIN INDEX OF 'RE_MBR_SPIND'
CPU: none, I/O: none
Can Oracle improve the performance of Oracle spatial by
improving the implementation so as to perform alternative
implicit queries so as not to use these vast amounts of memory?
Cheers
Alex Eadie

Hi Ravi,
Thankyou for your reply.
Here are some more details for you:
Yes the queries are cached in that it gets its data from RAM and
not from disk however the number of buffers used internally by
Oracle RDBMS/Spatial is rather large and results in significant
CPU usage (namely > 5000 per query or >40MByte). Which I'm sure
you'd agree? Those numerous internal queries taking >10ms CPU
time each, which is culmulative.
A single real of ours query of will take between 180ms and 580ms
depending on the number of results returned.
An example query is:
select a.id, a.geom
from tile_med_lines_mbr a where sdo_relate
(a.geom,mdsys.sdo_geometry
(2003,NULL, NULL,mdsys.sdo_elem_info_array
(1,1003,3),mdsys.sdo_ordinate_array(151.21121,
-33.86325,151.21132,-33.863136)), 'mask=anyinteract
querytype=WINDOW') = 'TRUE'
Our 500Mhz PC Server database can only execute 3 processes
running these queries simultaneously to go to 100% CPU loaded.
The disk is hardly utilized.
The data is the main roads in Sydney, Australia.
The tables, data and indexes were created as shown below:
1.     Create the Oracle tables:
create table tile_med_nodes_mbr (
     id     number not null,
     geom     mdsys.sdo_geometry not null,
     xl     number not null,
     yl     number not null,
     xh     number not null,
     yh     number not null);
create table tile_med_lines_mbr (
     id     number not null,
     fromid     number not null,
     toid     number not null,
     geom     mdsys.sdo_geometry not null,
     xl     number not null,
     yl     number not null,
     xh     number not null,
     yh     number not null);
2.     Use the sqlldr Oracle loader utility to load the data
into Oracle.
% sqlldr userid=csiro_scats/demo control=nodes.ctl
% sqlldr userid=csiro_scats/demo control=lines.ctl
3.     Determine the covering spatial extent for the tile
mosaic and use this to create the geometry metadata.
% sqlplus
SQLPLUS>     set numw 12
SQLPLUS>     select min(xl), min(yl), max(xh), max(yh)
     from (select xl, yl, xh, yh
          from tile_med_nodes_mbr union
          select xl, yl, xh, yh
          from tile_med_lines_mbr);
insert into USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA
     (TABLE_NAME, COLUMN_NAME, DIMINFO)
     VALUES ('TILE_MED_NODES_MBR', 'GEOM',
     MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ARRAY
     (MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('X', 151.21093421,
               151.21205421, 0.000000050),
     MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('Y', -33.86347146,
               -33.86234146, 0.000000050)));
insert into USER_SDO_GEOM_METADATA
     (TABLE_NAME, COLUMN_NAME, DIMINFO)
     VALUES ('TILE_MED_LINES_MBR', 'GEOM',
     MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ARRAY
     (MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('X', 151.21093421,
               151.21205421, 0.000000050),
     MDSYS.SDO_DIM_ELEMENT('Y', -33.86347146,
               -33.86234146, 0.000000050)));
4.     Validate the data loaded:
create table result
(UNIQ_ID number, result varchar2(10));
execute sdo_geom.validate_layer
('TILE_MED_NODES_MBR','GEOM','ID','RESULT');
select result, count(result)
from RESULT
group by result;
truncate table result;
execute sdo_geom.validate_layer
('TILE_MED_LINES_MBR','GEOM','ID','RESULT');
select result, count(result)
from RESULT
group by result;
drop table result;
5.     Fix any problems reported in the result table.
6.     Create a spatial index, use the spatial index advisor to
determine the sdo_level.
create index tile_mlines_spind on
tile_med_lines_mbr (geom) indextype is
mdsys.spatial_index parameters
( 'sdo_level=7,initial=1M,next=1M,pctincrease=0');
7.     Analyse table:
analyze table TILE_MED_LINES_MBR compute statistics;
8.     Find the spatial index table name:
select sdo_index_table, sdo_column_name
from user_sdo_index_metadata
where sdo_index_name in
(select index_name
from user_indexes
where ityp_name = 'SPATIAL_INDEX'
and table_name = 'TILE_MED_LINES_MBR');
9.     Analyse spatial index table:
analyze table TILE_MLINES_SPIND_FL7$
compute statistics;
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Alex Eadie

Old outer join syntax produces different results from new syntax!

I have inherited a query that uses the old outer join syntax but that is yielding correct results. When I translate it to the new outer join syntax, I get the results I expect, but they are not correct! And I don't understand why the old syntax produces the results it produces. Bottom line: I want the results I'm getting from the old syntax, but I need it in the new syntax (I'm putting it into Reporting Services, and RS automatically converts old syntax to new).
Here's the query with the old outer join syntax that is working correctly:
Code Snippet
SELECT   TE = COUNT(DISTINCT T1.ID),
         UE = COUNT(DISTINCT T2.ID),
         PE = CONVERT(MONEY, COUNT(DISTINCT T2.ID)) /
              CONVERT(MONEY,COUNT(DISTINCT T1.ID))
FROM     TABLE T1, TABLE T2
WHERE    T1 *= T2
In this query, much to my surprise, TE <> UE and PE <> 1. However, TE, UE, and PE seem to be accurate!
Here's the query with the new outer join syntax that is working but not producing the results I need:
Code Snippet
SELECT   TE = COUNT(DISTINCT T1.ID),
         UE = COUNT(DISTINCT T2.ID),
         PE = CONVERT(MONEY, COUNT(DISTINCT T2.ID)) /
              CONVERT(MONEY,COUNT(DISTINCT T1.ID))
FROM     TABLE T1 LEFT OUTER JOIN TABLE T2 ON T1.ID = T2.ID
Though not producing the results I need, it is producing what would be expected: TE = UE and PE = 1.
My questions:
1) Can someone who is familiar enough with the old syntax please help me understand why TE <> UE and PE <> 1 in the first query?
2) Can someone please tell me how to properly translate the first query to the new syntax so that it continues to produce the results in the first query?
Thank you very much.

How can we reproduce the issue?
Code Snippet
USE [master]
GO
EXEC sp_dbcmptlevel Northwind, 80
GO
USE [Northwind]
GO
SELECT
TE
= COUNT(DISTINCT T1.OrderID),
UE = COUNT(DISTINCT T2.OrderID),
PE = CONVERT(MONEY, COUNT(DISTINCT T2.OrderID)) /
CONVERT(MONEY,COUNT(DISTINCT T1.OrderID))
FROM
dbo
.Orders T1, dbo.Orders T2
WHERE
T1
.OrderID *= T2.OrderID
SELECT
TE
= COUNT(DISTINCT T1.OrderID),
UE = COUNT(DISTINCT T2.OrderID),
PE = CONVERT(MONEY, COUNT(DISTINCT T2.OrderID)) /
CONVERT(MONEY,COUNT(DISTINCT T1.OrderID))
FROM
dbo
.Orders T1
LEFT OUTER JOIN
dbo.Orders T2
ON T1.OrderID = T2.OrderID
GO
EXEC sp_dbcmptlevel Northwind, 90
GO
Result:
TE
UE
PE
830
830
1.00
TE
UE
PE
830
830
1.00
As you can see, I am getting same results.
AMB

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Hi there. I want to merge two different spatial queries both of which return a single aspect of what I need. The first query returns the distinct group feature ids of all those geometries falling within a specified tolerance of a particular point, i.e. each geometry belongs to one feature id type:
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CFCC
D43
D44
D61
D65
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CFCC DISTANCE
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D43 5585.05361
D43 5589.70435
D61 7770.4209
D65 6223.59763
D65 7929.03858
As you can see the second query returns not just the feature id but the associated distance of each individual feature of that type. What I would like to do is to merge the two result sets so that only the closest individual feature of a particular type and its distance from the input point is returned, i.e. I only need the closest school as oppose to all the closest schools. Any ideas? Thanks a lot, Joe

Hi Richard. Thnaks for your reply. I should have mentioned that more than one feature type is returned, i.e. not just schools, and so ROWNUM = 1 would not work in this scenario. Any other ideas. Cheers, Joe

Dreamweaver 8 - does not always render content correctly when element sizes are specified as %s

Hi,
I'm using DW 8 and am changing CSSs to specify element sizes as %s - a move towards responsive design. Browsers that I've tried - Firefox, Chrome, IE and Safari - render the results correctly but DW does not always render correctly: it seems to have particular problems in calculating and showing margins and padding. Does anybody know whether this is a known fault? Am I asking too much of an old version of the system? Or am I missing something else somewhere along the way?
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Andrew

andywalmsley wrote:
Hi,
Am I asking too much of an old version of the system? Or am I missing something else somewhere along the way?
Yes, Dreamweaver design view, whilst quite good, did and still does not represent the css you write 100% accurately.
The more complex the css the less likely it is to render as you would expect.
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