Third party PREQ in MDO4

Do the PREQ created in 3 party appears in transaction MD04?

Hi
In SD you do not assign any MRP but in MM you do.
See Note 21350, third party should not be displayed.
Regards
Sidi

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Credit Check with Third Party Process

Hi Gurz,
I know about third party process but my problem is with credit check of the customers.
If customer has not got enough credit limit to process the order in normal senario credit controller has to manually release the order as system blocks it. In third party process system will give you warning message when saving sales order about customer credit limit but allows you to save sales order. Once saving sales order it authomatically creates Purchase Requisition. From PR purchasing creates P.O. with out knowing about customer credit limit issue. and so on. In other words goods supplied to customer even though credit limit has exceeded. This user don't know untill raising the invoice to the customer which is too late.
Can we stop creating Purchase requisition or block purchase requistion for credit check ? or there are better way of handling the process for credit check?
Thanks in advance

Hi,
Try to implement OSS note -738171 - Delivery block does not influence purchase requisition.
Following is the details of the note;
Summary
Symptom
The delivery block in a sales order does not prevent the generattion of the purchase requisition in a third-party or individual purchase order item. Regardless of the Customizing settings in the delivery block, the system confirms the TAB or TAS item and generates the purchase requisition.
More Terms
Order, purchase requisition, PReq, TAB, individual purchase order, individual purchase order item, TAS, third-party, third-party item, SD order, delivery block, VBAK-LIFSK, VBEP-LIFSP
Cause and Prerequisites
Solution
Create a user-specific user requirement (for example, 902: BEDINGUNG_PRUEFEN_902 in Include LV07A902) as a copy of standard user requirement 102 and assign it to requirement 'Preq' by using Transaction OVB5.
In the source code of the user-requirement, program a check for the delivery block which, if necessary, triggers an ERROR_EXCEPTION which prevents the generation of the purchase requisition.
You can use the existing check for the credit block as a template.
Regards,

Scheduling third party sales orders in APO

Dear Experts,
Scenario:
Sales order with item category TAS (third party SAP standard) triggers a purchase requisition. The Preq calls ECC ATP check and gets scheduled simply based on planned delivery time. The delivering plant is virtual and doesnu2019t hold inventory. An inbound delivery is the only receipt against which sales order can be confirmed if at all I care to do an ATP check.
This is a standard SAP third party scenario with ATP check. The material is shipped directly to the customer from vendor and invoice by the company.
Requirement
This purchase requisition should be scheduled in APO.. Condition technique-trans. and shipment scheduling
The scheduled delivery date then should be updated to sales order schedule line.
My purpose is to schedule a delivery date based on lead times that are more conditional than the one from info record that just has a planned delivery time which is currently irrespective of customer.
Other info
Customing for checking rules is CIFd. Material is in APO with checking group maintained. All basic config exists.
The Purch req is calling ATP check ONLY in ECC that shows a delivery date offset from requested delivery date.
Why scheduling in APO and why not ECC:
I want to make use of possibly trans lanes duration in the future. by maintained t/lanes from vendors to all ship to parties.
Related question
Is TAS item category hardcoded not to call APO !
Regards,
Loknath

Meanwhile I read these consulting notes on third party item scheduling
210455- Confirmation of TAS items and
549364- FAQ's on scheduling of third party PO's
where SAP's design intent of PO/Preq scheduling is explained..that primarily comes from this hypothesis:
IF WE CANT CONTROL EXTERNAL VENDORS, WHY BOTHER SCHEDULING VENDOR's DATES.
Sounds like an archaic reasoning!! given we cannot practically confirm a reasonably good delivery date with albeit approximate assuming vendor has 100% materail on release date. The inforecord's planned delivery time as I mentioned is only so much...not destination specific (the vendor can potentially supply to customers across the globe with transit times varying from x to 10x)
The logic used for confirmation of third party orders based on PO scheduling is this
Backward
Release date =Requested delivery date - purchasing department processing time - planned delivery time or
Forward
Realistic delivery date =Current date + purchasing department processing time + planned delivery time
To help visualize I tried a scenario with sale order requested delivery date 3months out. The PO scheduling screen is NOT called. The order stands confirmed on requesed delivery date with the simple logic applied being
Requested delivery date = material availability date
My requirement still remains valid though.
I want to schedule TAS items in APO..using APO master data or condition technique.
I need to get a MAD date updated to the sales order schedule line for gettting a delivery date that is more conditional than info-record's planned delivery time. Not sure if this sounds technically consistent but requirement is reasonble !
Edited by: Loknath Rao on Jun 28, 2011 6:03 AM
Edited by: Loknath Rao on Jun 28, 2011 6:03 AM
Edited by: Loknath Rao on Jun 28, 2011 6:05 AM

Freight from PO or goods receipt into sales order in Third party drop ship

Hello!!!
We have a requirement where the freight charged by vendor in third party drop ship sales order scenario should show up in the billing document to customer. So we will create a sales order with TAS item category. This will create PReq and PO subsequently. Once the vendor delivers the goods to customer and we do the goods receipt in the system, we will bill the customer. While we bill we want to bring the actual freight charged by vendor to the customer billing document. Also we bill the customer as soon as we do the receipt and do not wait for the vendor invoice.
I am not sure if we can do this standard SAP but would like to if anyone has come across this scenario and what is the approach if we need to do this. We can have vendor send us the freight while doing the goods receipt but not sure how to transfer the value to sales order or to billing document directly.
Any help or idea is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

During GRN we cannot enter any value apart from the excise or customs duty, therefore the freight that you have incured at actuals cannot be captured during GRN and therefore cannot be transfered to the invoice also.
While creating invoice to the customer you can insert a freight condition type and enter the freight value manualy.
Generally in third party scenario we can only invoice the cust after purchase booking has taken place. In your case you want the cust invoice to be created based on grn, for that you have modify the copy control settings.
raj

Error when creating PO for sales order (third party)

Hi All,
I have been trying to create a new PO from a purchase requisition. This PR is a third party PR with Account assignment category S. Also it is sales order related.
When I try to save the PO it gives me two errors as shown below :
"No upate of sales order 30081586 from purchase order (error V4 115)"
"System error (error in method PO_POST)"
Has anyone come across such an error? Is this because of something wrong in sales order?
Regards,
V S

Hi ,
Check note 849480 .
according to this note the cause is
"You create a purchase order with reference to a purchase requisition (PReq) that was generated as a result of a third-party order or an individual customer order. If another purchase order with reference to this sales document is changed at the same time (in another window or by another user) and the first purchase order is saved in the meantime, the associated sales order item is not updated and a termination occurs with error message ME 816, "System error: (error in method po_post)".
This is basically a program error .To solve this follow the correction instructions mentioned in note 849480.
Regards,
Anupam

Third Party Sales Order in COPA - adjusted cost

We have a third party sales order which creates the Preq and then the pruchase order. We have statistical conditions on the purchase order. We have switched the billing relavency on the item category TAS to a B to allow billing before the invoice recipt from the oversees vendor. Billing block is on the order until inbound delivery is updated.
A purchase order is created with statistical conditions for an accrual amount (palletization charge). When the goods receipt is performed against an inbound delivery and the billing block is removed, a customer invoice is created and the correct value, cost plus the accrual amount, posts into the customer billing document vprs condition and posts accordingly to co-pa.
The issue is that when the invoice receipt is performed against the purchase order, the normal FI document is created against the vendor and gr/ir account. However, at this time an adjustment to the vprs is posted against the original billing document vprs condition for the statistical condition on the purchase order. This adjustment to the vprs condition then creates a copa document which reduces the cost of goods sold value field.
Any ideas on how to prevent this adjustment to the co-pa cogs value?

Hi,
Process
VA01 - Create sales order (Schedule line CS and item category TAS) >> ME52N - PR is generated after save of sales order >> ME21N - Convert PR in to P.O >> Then vendor will send goods to customer and will send invoice to our company >> MIRO - Invoice receipt from vendor >> VF01 - Final invoice to customer
When you enter vendor invoice then you come to know that vendor sent qty. same will be billed to customer(Billing relevance in item category should be F)
Kapil

Third Party Procurement Goods Receipt

For Third party procurement, where goods are ordered from a vendor and drop-shipped to a customer, how does SAP recommend the goods receipt process take place by the customer? (We are using CRM/ECC/SRM)
For example, normal PO creation requires a plant to be specified. However in third party procurement, there is no goods receipt into a plant, as the materials are shipped from the vendor directly to a customer.
Please provide any insight on if or how a goods receipt is performed in third party procurement scenario. I believe SRM enables a new 107 movement, if this is true can someone please elaborate on this process.
Thanks

Hi,
In 3rd party sales, the preq so generated in SD got to have plant at any cost no matter we receive into our plant or not. This is because, we need to be able to pay to vendor subsequently (whether we receive into our system by active GR for the PO or not and MIRO uses PO reference and that becomes the data (in most cases of 3rd party sales process) for SD billing. So, plant must be there. However, processing GR is optional. But, a good solution is:
Customer places order with us so, SO# created. Being 3rd party order, creates 3rd party PReq and I would recommend a shipping notification (or Inbound Delivery) be EDI'ed to our system from vendor's system when he dispatches goods to customer. When customer confirms receipt in his receiving location, based on customer's communication (by phone/email/fax etc) we process GR logically.
Now, billing part whether before or after the vendor invoice processing is suggested in both the ways in best practices in two different scenarios. However, it is recommended to have vendor invoice processed before customer invoice. Hope, this helps..

Third party sale order qty issue

Hi,
While creating third party sales order: PR has been created for 20 items automaticallyu2026u2026
Now I have created PO w.r.t. PR for 8 qtyu2026.
I did GR for 4 qty and done invoice for the sameu2026
Now when I am trying to create PO again wrt PR for remaining item i.e. qty 12 ( I tried for qty 1 also)..
I am getting error :
Materials for PReq 104, item 00010, already partially ordered
Message no. 06249
Uts

Hi,
system will not allow you to create purchase order.
Goto VA02, Item schedule lines change the order quantity to 8 from 20.
enter another delivery date and qty 12 in second row press enter, system automatically creates another line item for same purchase requisition, you can see it in same screen.
E.g 10000110 10 8 qty
10000110 20 12 qty
Now goto create purchase order with same PR number and line item number 20.
Regards,
Chandra

Automatic GR by Third Party delivery throug shipping notification?

Hi,
What is the best scenario if the third party vendor sends goods directly to the end customer? The vendor can send me a shipping notification. Can I post automatically (only for third party and direct delivery to end customer) a GR when I receive an shipping notification?
Points awarded,
Greetings,
Eric van Zundert.

We have a similar requirement that I am designing a solution for.
Here is what I am doing-
Sales Order is created with item category TAS.
The item category I get in the PReq is Third Party
The account Assignment category will drive whether you can process GR or not.
(you may change or create new account assignment category in spro>materials management>purchasing>Account assignment>Maintain Account Assignment Categories) If you want Goods Receipt to be processed, account assignment category C could also work). Which one you would like to use can be decided and then assigned to Schedule Line category for third party you use. This assignment is done in SD config in schedule line category.
About your other concern on how do you know about readiness of delivery @ vendor for you to pickup and deliver to customer -
Use confirmation control key in the purchasing. Use the one that allows you create a shipping notification (Inbound Delivery). If you want, use EDI from vendor so that when vendor informs you via inbound delivery, your system tracks the readiness of the delivery at vendor's premises. You may complete GR(now it becomes optional because your very purpose of processing GR is addressed by shipping notification). In 3rd party processing, Delivery Note is not required for the Sales Order because you physically won't deliver to customer.
Hope this helps! Reward points if you find this useful

Logical GR in Third Party Process

Hi Friends
There is logical GR involved in third party process. What if we do not want to trigger it?

very useful thraed for your Qn-
[stock not updating after doing MIGO (gr) for third party sales |stock not updating after doing MIGO (gr) for third party sales;
BR
Raj

Free Goods in Third Party

Hi..
Please send me configuration steps of Free Goods in Third Party..
Thanks in Advance
Shriniwas

Free goods cannot be used in make-to-order production, third-party order processing and scheduling agreements.
This is the Limitation of setting up free goods
Cheers

Automatic po creation third party order

Hello Gurus,
In case of automatic po creation from third party order we have attach purchase organization and vendor to sales organization. This restrict only one vendor against sales organization.
Is any BADI available which we can use which to change vedor dynamically ?
Best Regards,
Vasant

Dear Vasant,
For automatic PO at the time of GR following are the prerequisites:
1) In Customizing
a) Auto PO generation must be activated in Mov. Type 101 & 161
b) the plant for which GR is entered must be assigned to standard Pur. Org.
c) Default Document type for PO must be specified in GR ( MB 01)
2) Application - Front end side
a) material must be valuated material
b) Purchasing Info record must exist for vendor , material & standard Pur Org.
c) Conditions in Info Records must be valid.
d) Applicable for stock items & not consumable items
e) you cannot enter any movement in GR block stock
f) Material Master & vendor master records must.
If you ensure all above settings then it is possible to have auto PO during GR.
Please try,
Vivek

Stock is increased and FI entry is posted in statistical GR for third party

Hello
I was trying to activate the functionalty for statistical GR in third party but STUCK due to following issues. For enabling this functionaltity I have checked "Goods Reciept" and "GR Non-Valuated" check in "Delivery tab" of PO.
1. After creating Statistical GR through MIGO (101), stock has been posted in plant. I was expecting no movement in Stock .
2. I was hoping there should not be in FI posting but FI entry is posted through statistical GR .
We are using third party process from many years but without statistical GR. Requirement from client is to post statistical GR without FI entry and no stock should be updated. Please advise if anyone has idea on this.
FYI--We have item category TAS and schedule line category CS in customisation. Also advise if above two settings in PO are enought to turn ON the statistical GR functionality.
Thanks for your help.
Regards
Arvind

Thanks AKPT for reply
As advised , pleae find enclosed screens for OMS2, PO and FI entry. FI entry might be wrong as while posting MIGO ..I was getting error "WE etnry is missing in table YFTFI_SUBST236 and I maintained some dummy GL accounts.
Regards
Arvind

Goods return from customer in third party business process

hi all sd gurus
here I ve adoubt regarding returns in third party business process query is how a customer send his foulty goods n how he gets his credit note plz explain eleborately plz help me out
thankx in advance
santosh

It has not been addressed in standard SAP. For further detais, go through Note 751609 - Returns for third-party process (cancellation)
thanks
G. Lakshmipathi

Cannot do MIGO in Third Party Sales Process with shipping notification

In the Third party sales process with Shipping notification,the item category for the material is TAS (Billing relevance=R),item category group is BANS.
Intially sales order is created,then using me21n with reference to purchase requisation purchase order is created,then in MIGO stage i used the PO No there but i get the message no item found in PO.
what adjustment have to be done in order to do MIGO

Refer following SDN thread, by that you will be able to get overview on best practices about Third Party Sales & necessary configuration you need to follow for statistical GR:
- Third party direct shipment (II)
Further maintain Billing Relevance for Item Category as G - Order-related billing of the delivery quantity.
Regards
JP

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