WRT54GL using old modem/router as modem component?

I'm constantly having little issues with my ADSL modem/router, which is some Taiwanese unbranded model that my girlfriend provided.
As such, I'm thinking about buying the WRT54GL, and using Tomato or perhaps OpenWRT.
Given that this is just a router, I'll need an ADSL modem too. Will my current modem/router model be able to perform as the modem only?
(Or does it really depend exactly what my router is capable of? If so, are there any settings that I should look out for in the router web config pages, because I'm quite new to this stuff.)
Thanks.

chrispoole wrote:
OpenWRT seems nice, but I've never run Linux on any embedded systems, or used network devices more than the average consumer usage.
It seems a bit too technical to me. It seems to be a full-blown little distro, that can could be used to turn the 54GL into a seed box (perhaps?), if I understand correctly?
Tomato seems a lot easier to install and use, for my requirements.
Tomato may be easier yes - less modular, so more stuff out of the box. You barely need the command line anymore with the latest OpenWrt though, if you do not want to use it.
As for being a seed box - you need a way to connect a HD to your router for that, and the WRT54G(L) series don't have any USB ports for example to my knowledge, so it depends on your connectors (and available RAM, most importantly).

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