Yet another hung start on HP Envy 15

This machine has had "issues" almost since new, drivers wouldn't load, it got to the point where I had shortcuts on the desktop to install them. Programs listed in Run in the Registry didn't start, so I made shortcuts in the Windows Start folder, that made no difference at all. After the warranty expired HP lost interest in trying to sort things out. Today I had an all new problem. After a perfectly normal shut-down last night I tried to boot, it hung at "Starting Windows"I used the power button to shut down and then tried again.This time it only got as far as "Start Options". Used the power button again.Third time the Start Options came up again and I pressed ESC to see the options. As soon as I did that the screen went black, and stayed that way for maybe 3 minutes, then the start options screen appeared. I chose Repair, then Restore.The system restore started, ran for a minute or so, then stopped with: "Windows cannot repair this machine automatically." I chose to look at the problem details which brought up the following:- Problem DetailsProblem signatureProblem event Name: Startup repair offlineProblem signature 01: 6.1.7600.16385Problem signature 02: 6.1.7600.16385Problem signature 03: UnknownProblem signature 04: 495Problem signature 05: Auto failoverProblem signature 06: 1Problem signature 07: No Root CauseOS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.25601Locale ID: 1033 All of which meant nothing to me. I powered down, again. Then pressed the power button once again, more in hope than expectation. It re-booted normally. That sounds like a happy ending, but I travel a lot. What happens if it won't boot when I'm a thousand miles from home? Would anyone trust a machine that might...or there again might not boot up? Does anyone know what these Problem Deatils might indicate? David

I am sure you also tried resetting PRAM?
My macbook's battery also died suddenly without warning, so it is possible for batteries to die suddenly.
I know that you are looking for a different answer, but battery replacement is probably the only solution to your problem. If you are lucky, it is possible that your battery connector is loose due to vibrations or something like that.
If it was a software problem, your hardware test would not have given you an error.
BY the way, the "date has been reset to pre-2008" error message makes it sound like your CMOS battery is dead. The CMOS battery is pretty small, and cheap. It is different from your main battery.

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Yet another MacBook Pro with display issues (NVdia chip)

Exactly one year and 1 week after purchase, my video controller started freaking out. So just 1 week out of warranty, my display started flickering, blinking, showing garbled clumps of pixels and got progressively worse over the last week until, now, it locks up and/or reboots after about 15 minutes of uptime.
I have:
- installed all updates, including firmware
- reset PRAM
- re-seated RAM
- replaced RAM
- used SMC FanControl to try and keep the GPU cool
- parked the MacBook in front of the fan/air conditioner in an attempt to keep the GPU cool
- ran the Hardware Test, which returned a faulty video controller
None of the above have had any positive effect whatsover.
I've dug through these forums and hunted around the rest of the net for more info. Every symptom points to the NVidia GeForce issue. It seemed to be heat related. Maybe it was at first (even though max temps were never over 180 F), but after just one more day it doesn't seem to matter anymore. The machine is just FUBAR.
Tomorrow, I'm taking it in to the Apple store for service. Everything I've read here tells me it'll be at $1,000 logic board replacement since I'm a week out of warranty. Needless to say, if I come home tomorrow with a $1,000 receipt AND no laptop I'm going to be pretty upset.
What really concerns me is that, if I have to get the logic board replaced, they'll just put in yet another faulty board with another NVdia chip that will do the same thing all over again. There has to be another option, short of just getting a new iMac or tower with an ATI card instead. What else can I do?

bikemonkey wrote:
I think my GPU is borked too.
http://noizesurge.com/downloads/gpu1.jpg
http://noizesurge.com/downloads/gpu2.jpg - incidentally my computer had completely frozen at this point.
I'm pretty sure from observing these types of glitches that this is a hardware fault. I shall ring Apple on Monday and hopefully they can pick it up and sort it all out! Does anyone know roughly how long a turnaround is in the UK?
Yes, your video controller is toast. That's exactly how mine looked.
Just to make certain, run the Hardware Test:
- Put in DVD 1 that came with your MacBook Pro.
- Shut down
- Restart, holding the D key
- You'll be put into test mode, run the default test (no need to run the robust test at this stage)
I'm betting it will return a message that looks like: "4VDC/1/40000003: videocontroller"
If so, your logic board will have to be replaced.
The Apple Store I went to (Michigan Ave, Chicago) told me it would take 5-7 days. I'm not sure what UK times would be like, but I'd expect a little longer.
bikemonkey wrote:
Incidentally, people are saying that they've have logic boards and what not replaced only for the problem to reoccur. Does this mean nVidia haven't properly fixed the issue?
Correct. Nvidia hasn't done a thing about this (that I'm aware of), and Apple seems to be putting the same logic boards with the faulty Nvidia chips back in.
Until we see a new/refreshed line of MacBook Pro's, I think we're stuck.

Yet Another Soon to be MBP Owner in Need of Guidence

Hello all,
Believe it or not this is yet another post from a college student in the process of purchasing a new MBP who's appealing to the venerable Apple discussion board community for guidance. My dilemma is not that I can't decide on what MBP I want or what features I need, I've already decided on a top of the line model with the 7200 RPM hard drive and a Crucial ram upgrade, it's that I can't decide when would be the best time to make the purchase given the WWDC keynote on the 7th of August. I would like to get the most bang for my three grand but I need have the computer up and running by the twenty-first with Windows installed to run AutoCad. Would you recommend waiting until the 7th to order the computer and see it the MBP's are updated with the hope an updated MBP would be able to get to me in time or should I buy now with the knowledge that I'll be buying a computer that will be updated, but not outdated, soon?
Thanks for your time,
Eric
PowerBook 12-inch 867

I am also a college student... and I was going to wait for the new merom, but I decided against it... I just think the likelyhood of them released before september is unlikely in my head... but you never know... But I looked at it this way... I wanted a MBP bad, despite all the problems I heard about them (my mbp has no problems to this day).... I figured if I waited for the new releases, the only thing that would change is the fact that it's basically a new computer, and with new computers come with new problems... I also figured, the likelyhood of the computers being released before my school started was slim, so I bought it now. I am very happy with my MBP right now, and you have to think of it this way, there will always be upgrades, whos to say that after the merom has been released, something new will becoming after that... I find it less painful to buy a MBP in july, and have the meroms be released months later, then purchasing it in september, and having them be released a possible weeks later... a little less painful, but that's my input, do what you want, I have a 17" MBP , week 26, and I am a happy camper!

Slow DSL (Yet another one....)

I have been in contact with Verizon (via off shore support on their 'tech support line') over the past few months and I have YET to get this issue resolved. Since mid-summer 2010 I have been getting 1.6 meg or so speeds on my 3meg DSL line. Prior to that period I was getting 2.5 meg +. I have called in numerous times and I keep getting told they will perform a line test.... Well, the line is FINE it's my download speed that's hosed. My upload is the correct speed of 728 but for some reason my download speed has been slashed from 2.5 to ~1.5.
Verizon even sent me a new modem as my old westtel was from 2001 and it had no better, (perhaps even slightly slower!!!), speed results on JUST the download side.
Other Verizon DSL users suggest that there is some sort of bandwidth throttling or "error correcting" processes that can cause this sort of thing. I live right around 6,000ft or so from the switching station so I'm WELL within range to get the full benefit from my speed. No lines have changed inside the house in years, yet there is a decrease in speed none the less. I have tried various speed test sites, various combinations of network hardware between the PC and the router and nothing helps.
To make matters worse I called in last week and spoke to another off shore "tech" (script reader more like it), and after cutting him off from trying to walk me through a ton of useless steps that I've gone through about 4 dozen times already and telling him NOT to send out yet ANOTHER modem, had this gentleman tell me that he needed to work with the local dispatch center but it was closed. He arranged to call back the next day between 5 and 7 PM EST with them on the phone to further trouble shoot and get the problem solved. Fine. However, next day, I didn't receive a call back until almost 8:45PM .... AND he started the call off by asking, "So is your problem resolved?" ...... I promptly, and with as much patience as I could muster, told him, "Um, not unless you have done something to FIX it in the time since I last spoke to you..." ... To which he responded by starting the ENTIRE trouble shooting process over again and wanting to run a LINE TEST (which would have raised the count on JUST this one ticket to like 5 or 6!). I cut him off and told him we'd already DONE all that and he was SUPPOSED to call me back at 5:00 not 8:00 with someone from the dispatch so we could sort the problem out! He then told me the dispatch was closed and he'd have to call me back the next day between 3:00 and 5:00 PM EST with a supervisor tech on the line to help diagnose the issue.... That was last Friday... A week later and I still haven't heard from Verizon support.... So first time he was 3hours and 45 minutes late, the second time he was over a WEEK late!
At this point I'm fed up, yet I'm hoping that by posting this here someone MAY be able to help me and FINALLY restore my 3Meg DSL to it's former speed.

I have a LinkSys WRT 310N router between my internal network and the router or I'd pull you the transponder data. As for the other info you asked for: It's a Westel modem, and it's Windows 7 x64... Though every system in my home has the same speed results regardless of OS. Even if I remove the router and connect using the built in PPPoE connection in Windows I get the same speeds, so it's not OS or router related. The modem is a new modem, my old Westtel Wirespeed gave exactly the same results as the brand new westtel modem, so it's not the modem either unless BOTH are bad.
****EDIT****
I found a transponder log I'd taken when I first got the new westtel setup and posted on another forum:
Transceiver Revision: 3.3.6.10.0.1
Vendor ID Code: 4D54
Line Mode: ADSL_2plus
Data Path: Interleaved
DSL Speed: 2112 down and 860 Up
Margin (dB): 12.0 and 10.3
Line Attenuation (dB): 33.1 and 15.0
Transmit Power (dBm): 17.9 and 12.2

Yet another dead mic with Win7 64-bit upgrd - Portege M700

Title says it all. Mics used to work fine on this machine under Windows XP. Under Win7, except as I note below, the mic has inaudibly low volume with any Control Panel Sound settings. I've spent huge amounts of time trying to solve this. After seeing all the similar posts (with no solutions, it seems) from users of many different Toshiba laptops, I'm about to start spreading the meme across the Internet that Toshiba laptops can't use mics.
I started by upgrading to Win7 then adding just the 64-bit drivers I need from Toshiba's support site. No joy. Then I started from a clean Win7 upgrade (64-bit Home) using Toshiba's upgrade script. Nope. Installed latest generic drivers from Realtek. Hmm .. some progress, maybe: now with some Sound settings I can get slightly more volume but the mic input is drowned out by white noise-ish hissing. All right, disable any other sound sources I can adjust: disable Chicony webcam driver from Device Manager. Hmm, now mike volume can get fairly high but the hissing still drowns it out.
Toshiba: At some level, this is a problem between Microsoft and Realtek, I know. But you can help us. MS changed the audio model significantly since Win XP, including (god knows why!) giving up the little audio mixer app that used to let you adjust levels for different sound sources. And Realtek's generic driver doesn't provide one either. So just give us a way to adjust levels for different audio inputs! Maybe I haven't Googled sufficiently and some hacker out there has one, but I kinda doubt it ... if it requires driver-level access as I suspect, Microsoft's new DRM-motivated hammerlock limiting us to signed drivers prevents us from fixing this ourselves. (It also means we can't access our ext3 partitions without extreme measures, but that's another rant.) So CAN SOME TOSHIBA ENGINEER PLEASE LET MANAGEMENT KNOW THEY'RE ABOUT TO DESTROY THEIR LAPTOP FRANCHISE OVER AUDIO ISSUES? Just cut, paste, and forward a couple dozen of these threads. Sure, it's a career risk but (wo)man up to it! Audio really matters to laptop buyers nowadays ... without Skype, I'll have do carry Yet Another Device when I'm traveling. Heck, I've personally bought at least 6 Toshiba laptops over the years and I'm starting to shop for a replacement. Anything but Toshiba, I'm sorry to say :-(
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Title says it all. Mics used to work fine on this machine under Windows XP. Under Win7, except as I note below, the mic has inaudibly low volume with any Control Panel Sound settings. I've spent huge amounts of time trying to solve this. After seeing all the similar posts (with no solutions, it seems) from users of many different Toshiba laptops, I'm about to start spreading the meme across the Internet that Toshiba laptops can't use mics.
I started by upgrading to Win7 then adding just the 64-bit drivers I need from Toshiba's support site. No joy. Then I started from a clean Win7 upgrade (64-bit Home) using Toshiba's upgrade script. Nope. Installed latest generic drivers from Realtek. Hmm .. some progress, maybe: now with some Sound settings I can get slightly more volume but the mic input is drowned out by white noise-ish hissing. All right, disable any other sound sources I can adjust: disable Chicony webcam driver from Device Manager. Hmm, now mike volume can get fairly high but the hissing still drowns it out.
Toshiba: At some level, this is a problem between Microsoft and Realtek, I know. But you can help us. MS changed the audio model significantly since Win XP, including (god knows why!) giving up the little audio mixer app that used to let you adjust levels for different sound sources. And Realtek's generic driver doesn't provide one either. So just give us a way to adjust levels for different audio inputs! Maybe I haven't Googled sufficiently and some hacker out there has one, but I kinda doubt it ... if it requires driver-level access as I suspect, Microsoft's new DRM-motivated hammerlock limiting us to signed drivers prevents us from fixing this ourselves. (It also means we can't access our ext3 partitions without extreme measures, but that's another rant.) So CAN SOME TOSHIBA ENGINEER PLEASE LET MANAGEMENT KNOW THEY'RE ABOUT TO DESTROY THEIR LAPTOP FRANCHISE OVER AUDIO ISSUES? Just cut, paste, and forward a couple dozen of these threads. Sure, it's a career risk but (wo)man up to it! Audio really matters to laptop buyers nowadays ... without Skype, I'll have do carry Yet Another Device when I'm traveling. Heck, I've personally bought at least 6 Toshiba laptops over the years and I'm starting to shop for a replacement. Anything but Toshiba, I'm sorry to say :-(
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After having yet another problem with my MacBook Pro and having to wipe the drive, I am now unable to sync my iPhones etc without erasing all the music on them. Is there a way around this? I have no other library!

After having yet another problem with my MacBook Pro and having to wipe the drive, I am now unable to sync my iPhones etc without erasing all the music on them. Is there a way around this? I have no other library!
iTunes is a mess! It couldn't find it's own libraries and I was forced to create a new one. Now I don't know where my music is or if any's missing.

columbus new boy wrote:
How crap is that?
It's not crap at all.
It's not that simple. For example, I've 3500 songs on my MacBook but don't want them all on my phone, so I have to manually select each song again???
There has to be a solution.
Why not simply make a playlist with the songs you want on the iPhone?
and maintain a current backup of your computer.

Is this yet another problem with 7.5 or is it just me . . .

Upgrade seemed to be fine, at first . . . now I keep getting distortion on songs. It seems to be quite random and just because a song has been distorted when I've listened to it once doesn't mean it will be when I listen to it again! It's driving me insane. Is this yet another bug or have I done something wrong (apart from upgrading to 7.5).

Hi Emlou,
If you have a Windows based operating system such as XP -
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Yet another No Service iPhone 4, second hand

Hi all,
Apologies for yet another topic about the No Service issue on the iPhone 4. I bought a secondhand iPhone 4 16GB 2 days ago after having a 3GS 32GB for 18 months with no problems. iPhone 4 was just over a week old when I bought it (warranty date shows when it was first activated), on the O2 UK network like my old one.
All was fine for 2 days, was receiving and making calls and texts etc with no problems. But since late afternoon yesterday the phone has mostly said No Service. It occasionally goes onto O2-UK but with no bars of signal so calls and texts still fail immediately.
I've tried all of the tips I can find online to resolve this, airplane mode on/off, reset network settings, restore from backup, restore as new phone, hard resets. But nothing's working.
I can take out my SIM and put it into my 3GS, in the same location, and get 5 bars of signal, all my texts come through. Then put SIM back into iPhone 4 and straight away, No Service.
I've made a Genius bar appointment for tomorrow afternoon, but I'm wondering what happens regarding the fact that I'm not the person who bought the phone in the first place? Will this be an issue?
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I spoke to o2, they checked my SIM is activated and said they don't need a record of my IMEI number. Still saying No Service so will have to see what the "Genius" says tomorrow!

Yet another Mac Book Pro (A1211/2.33 GHz) freeze problem

Hi everyone,
I have yet another freeze mystery, if people fancy having a crack at it.
I had this notebook for about 4 and a half years and it served me well until 2 months ago. It is a 15' MBP from December 2008 (A1211) with a 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo and 2GB of RAM.
Now I constantly get lags or freezes while I am using it.It manifests itself via the beachball and a frozen screen. First, I thought it was the hard drive but I replaced it with a tested new one and I still get the same behaviour. The reason I thought it was the HD is that it seems to freeze often when there was a lot of access to HD or memory. For example, firefox would cause a freeze quite often when it was trying to access the cache or history. I get the same behaviour when trying indexing my music for the genius feature. Often when I close applications, it will halt the system for about 2 minutes.
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My gut feeling would be that it has to do either with the memory or maybe some 'bridge' that transfers the data between HD, GPU, CPU and memory. I am aware that bridge is the wrong word and I am simplifying the architecture of the mainboard too much, but I am sure you get what I mean. The data rate between some of those is inhibited.
The reason why I am saying some is that often the system seems overwhelmed by the amount of commands, just sits there and then resumes executing all of them as it had taken a break. This can be easily seen when streaming video in a web browser. I often get the beach ball and my whole screen freezes, but the movie, or at least the sound, keeps running in the background. After a while it usually resumes and shows the movie at the current playing position. Sometimes it doesn't recover, not even after 30 minutes and I have to switch it off.
I hope I provided enough information for you guys to have a think about this.
Any help in this matter would be gratefully appreciated.

Before re-installing the operating system, which might also work, I found this article helpful:
http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/Fix-Spod-How-To-Fix-A-Spinning-Pinwheel -Of-Death.htm
I've followed the directions since they seem to make sense and am waiting for the next Pinwheel of Death. They seem to be saying the same thing you are Chris, but ascribe the problem to 'permissions' which are fixable (gasp) via the OS disc utility.

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Yet another grey folder thread, help!

Sorry for yet another grey folder thread, but here goes:
Today, earlier, installed Firefox update, along with some addon updates for that program. Quit Firefox and attempt to relaunch, relaunch fails. Reset computer, thinking that will do the trick, I now have grey folder with question mark.
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I click on one song and another one starts playing. Cover art for one artist shows up on another album. All of my music isn't showing up. Please help. Why is this happening? How can I fix it?

I click on one song and another one starts playing. Cover art for one artist shows up on another album. All of my music isn't showing up. Please help. Why is this happening? How can I fix it?

Sorry for not getting back with you...
That moves only the iTunes media, not the iTunes library (which is really kinda nebulous).
iTunes library = iTunes folder and all the media, wherever it is located.
The /Music/iTunes/ folder contains the iTunes library.itl file, which keeps track of everything in iTunes.
I do however still have the original MAIN startup drive still in the computer, it's just not the startup.
This is good you still have it.
Try this...
Hold Option and launch iTunes.
Select Choose library... and select the /iTunes/ folder on the original drive. It should be in /Users/your_user_name/Music/.
Don't mess with anything. We can get it cleared up.
Does everything work okay?

Double up of my document folder If I click on my Documents in finder it then opens another selection of folders including yet another documents folder which if this one is clicked on the folder is repeated yet again this does not appear to be correct help

I believe I have a problem when opening up my documents in finder. where upon I can view all my folders but with yet another Documents folder within this group, if I then click on this second Documents folder yet again a repeat of the do'cs folder appears. I have tried to merge the Documents folders into one but after a morning and a few hours later having completed the merge when I reopened the folders the problem was still there. Help.
Sandra

Reset the PRAM
Reinstall the operating system from the dvd (you will not loose your data)

Yet another major gripe with APE - restricting connection to home network

Yet another serious issue I have with APE is the fact that since very often, the computer just can't see the base station (even when it is located 30 inches from it...) it will just automatically connect to the next available open wifi network, which happens to be my neighbor's... that way I often finding myself surfing someone's else's unsecured network and it's ******* me off.
I tried to delete all wireless networks from system preferences/network/Airport but this does not makes a difference. Any idea on how to restrict my computer to the APE or at least have Mac OS warn me every time before it connects to an unsecured wireless network?
Thanks.

Somewhat easy: I'm assuming you're using Leopard, mainly because I ran through the options from leopard. Other versions of OS X may have slightly different placement or names...
Click on the airport icon in the menu bar.
Choose "Open Network Preferences"
Select "Airport"
There's a checkbox labeled "Ask to join new networks" Make sure it is enabled.
Select "advanced..." (it's a button, lower right)
You can change the connection order by dragging your network to the top of the list.
You can also click on a connection you don't want, then click on the '-' button below it to remove that connection. (and at least the first time, the computer will ask you if you want to connect)
You can go a step futher, by de-selecting the checkbox labeled "Remember any network this computer has joined" That way it won't add anything to your list of 'remembered' networks.
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Display hints, custom format method in VO, is there yet another way?

Did you experience the same and had a solution?
Hi,
I am using JDeveloper 10.1.3.4 and looking for yet another way of customizing the display of an attribute of a view object.
I have two tables: BILL and AWARDS, with composite foreign key relationship (on the LDAP_UID and TERM fields) between them, as illustrated below.
The BILL table:
NAME       LDAP_UID    TERM   CREDIT_HRS
Tom Smith tom.simth   200902       12.5
Jane Lopez jane.lopez 200906        4.0
The AWARD table:
LDAP_UID    TERM SOURCE     APPLIED
tom.smith 200902 Perkins     2000.00
tom.smith 200906 Direct      1300.00
jane.lopez 200906 CN           500.00 At the business data model level, this is master(Bill)/detail(Awards) relationship. Bill is dragged from the data control palette to the page and displayed as a form, and Awards is dragged to the page as a table. When tom.smith logs in and chooses the 200902 TERM, the master and detail are joined on tom.smith=tom.smith and 200902=200902, so the $2,000.00 of Perkins loan is retrieved for him:
Name Tom Smith
Term 200902
Source    Applied
Perkins   $2,000.00That works fine but not user friendly: the values in the TERMS column are a bit cryptic and need to be displayed in plain English, i.e., 200902 should be displayed as "Spring 2009" and 200906 as "Summer 2009". The display hints in the VO can not handle this. The only other way I know is writing a method in the Row class of the VO to do the translation. And this is the result:
Name Tom Smith
Term Spring 2009
Source        Applied
No rows yet   Obviously, "Spring 2009" is used not only for display, but also for joining the master and detail tables. Of course "Spring 2009"!=200902, therefore no detail is retrieved for the user.
Question is: is there yet another way to customize the display, that does not affect the join of master and detail tables?
Many thanks for your help!
Newman

Hi, Chris,
That works!
I found the chapter where transient attribute is explained and an example is given creating a transient attribute in the entity object. It turned out that transient attribute works both in entity object and view object. I did it in the VO and it solves my problem.
I spent hours of time before posting that question, trying two different ways but neither worked. Your one sentence saved me a lot of time. I do appreciate you help very much!
Truly,
Newman

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