16x9 needs to be 4x3

working with footage 720p footage (16x9). it was shot for the ipad which displays 4x3, so when it was shot, they left all sorts of unwanted stuff outside 4x3 "safety." it's been easy enough in compressor to set it to crop for 4x3 and set the output for 1080 x720 as opposed to the original 1280x720. when i play the clips in qt, they look fine however in the player there are sidebars and the inspector says the clip is 1280x720. is there a way what would be the settings to output the clips without the sidebar so it just plays as 4x3. thanks.
here's the info from compressor:
File Extension: mov
Estimated file size: 385.04 MB
Audio Encoder
    16-bit Integer (Big Endian), Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz
Video Encoder
    Format: QT
    Width: 1080
    Height: 720
    Pixel aspect ratio: Square
    Crop to: Center crop for 1.333:1
        (L: 180, T: 0, R: 180, B: 0)
    Padding: (L: 160, T: 0, R: 160, B: 0)
    Frame rate: 29.97
    Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off
    Codec Type: HDV 720p30

The iPad will play 1280x720 (16:9) with black at the top and bottom. There is also a button on the iPad movie player to scale the video to 4:3 aspect ratio.
To crop the video to a 4:3 aspect ratio with Compressor set the size to 960x720 and crop the right 160 and the left to 160, no padding. (Your not upscaleing the video, You don't need Frame Control.)
or, you can do this:
Set the size to 1024x768 and crop the right to 160 and the left to 160, no padding. Since you upscaling the video you need to turn on Frame Control. Set the Resize Filter to better or best. You can if you wish, set the Details Level to 10. (Details Level will increase encoding time.)
The ipad display is 1024x768 4:3

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