24p to dvd

Hello, I have a few 2 hour long files filmed at 24FPS in mpeg4 that I need to put onto a single layer DVD. I really don't need anything fancy, I dont even need a menu, so I dropped them into toast and had toast convert it. It looks like **. So I dropped them into iDVD and burnt it. it looks significantly better, but not good enough. I have FCP 5. WHAT SHOULD I DO?!
Cliffs notes: I have a 2 hour 24fps mpeg 4 avi video that needs to be on single layer DVD. What is the best quality way of encoding/burning it?

You realize that you will be recompressing the mpeg4 file which will seriously reduce your quality? Also, what are the pixel dimensions of the file? If you are enlarging the image you will also take an additioinal quality hit. You can try using one of the dvd presets in compressor. I think it will maintain the framerate. Confirm this by opening the m2v file in quicktime player and checking the frame rate. Be warned that dvdsp does not accurately report the frame rate. When you import a 23.98 fps file, the inspector reports it as 29.97fps. However, it does author the dvd correctly. You can confirm this by opening the burned dvd on a computer and stepping thru it frame by frame.

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