Cross-references to hyperlink destinations (text anchors) results in file slowdown
I'm using text anchors for the first time in a 12-file book (~280 pages) for the table/figure list in the front matter. There are maybe 100 or so total cross-references in the front matter in tables (where one column is the text of the figure title and one column the page number).
About halfway through the process of adding the cross references, things got reallllly slow, and only in that one document. So slow that reformatting became almost impossible, because of the delays.
So I went through many of the usual troubleshooting steps, just in case. Trashed preferences, trashed the style, etc. I exported the file to IDML and created a new file from that. It helped, but I can tell that it's still not quite so snappy.
My question, then, is if this is to be expected with what may be a large number of hyperlinks/text anchors? All the other files in the book act fine, so it's not an InDesign-wide slowdown. Are there any best practices when it comes to using hyperlink destinations?
As an amusing aside, before I tried the troubleshooting steps I had a clever idea--to insert the cross references into a new, blank document and then paste them into the frontmatter file. Consist and ugly crashes to desktop resulted.
George Krompacky wrote:
Peter,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the TOC could do this and would be an easier approach. But I hadn't anticipated using it and so didn't have my ducks in a row as far as having the styles consistent for chapter titles, figures and tables. Next time I will do so. I can guess that as a TOC doesn't generate live links, it shouldn't have a performance impact like dozens of cross-references do.
Yes, the TOC is inert except when it's being generated.
Regardless of how "creatively chaotic" or "chaotically creative" your chapter, table, and figure title paragraph styles are, as long as all chapter titles are tagged with style names that are not used for figures or tables, and similarly figures and tables are not tagged with styles used for the "other," you can still generate a usable TOC. The idea is to capture all the paragraph styles for each category, and display each category's captured paragraphs as uniform TOC entries - i. e., all chapter title entries are the same, all table title entries are the same, and all table title entries are the same. If you don't want the categories intermixed, create a separate TOC for each category, place each TOC separately, unthreaded to other document frames.
If you'd like to try a few things to see if it's possible to quickly remake the TOC and regain a responsive working document, before doing anything else, save the whole project to a secure place, and work on the copy. Then:
* Move the Text tool insertion point to each cross-reference's destination by selecting the reference in the cross-reference panel and clicking the right-pointing arrow on the panel status bar; then verify that the paragraph is tagged with an appropriate style that doesn't belong to the other category of TOC items.
* After all the TOC-to-be items are identified and verified that they're tagged correctly, delete the text frame(s) that contain the TOC that's created with cross-references. All the references will break, of course. You've got the secure original project somewhere, right?
* Set up the TOC roughly; just pick the paragraph styles for each category - chapter, figure, table, and generate a TOC for the book. Drag to place the TOC on a clean new page, and DO NOT THREAD THE TOC TO NON-TOC TEXT FRAMES.
* If the extracted paragraphs are in their correct categories, you can create new TOC styles for the TOC entries, or, if they exist, assign them in the TOC setup dialog box, and regenerate.
If this result gives you a sense of what needs fixing, and you have the time, refine the TOC styles so you can get the exact appearance you want. By avoiding changing the source paragraphs in the main document, you'll avoid any risk of reflowing anything. Finally, after the project's completely done and handed off, you can spend time refining the rogue source paragraph styles, IN A COPY, for use going forward.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Cross-References Broken In RoboHelp 10 Output
We are using FrameMaker 11 to author our documentation. We have some cross-reference links that do not work when the FrameMaker book is imported into RoboHelp. Upon import, the href information is not included in the link in the HTML code. The text looks like a link, however. When the help is generated, the text is not a link. The following is an example of a non-functioning link:
see <a>Link</a>.</p>
Here is an example of a cross-reference that is functioning correctly:
<a href="#XREF_90399_Heading_Text">Link</a>
There are no errors in FrameMaker. The cross-reference is updating correctly in FrameMaker. In addition, when a PDF is made form the same book, the cross-reference works in the PDF.
Troubleshooting steps I have taken:
I have tried going to MIF and back for both the source and target documents.
I have recreated the cross-reference and marker.
I have tried linking to a heading cross-reference marker, as well as a manually create cross-reference marker.
I have renamed the file.
I have renamed the marker.
I have used different cross-reference formats.
I recreated the file by copying all the text to Notepad and pasting the text back into a fresh FrameMaker file.
None of the steps I have attempted have corrected the issue for the cross-reference I focused my troubleshooting on. I hope that someone can point me in the right direction to correct this issue.I have been trying everything I can think of to move the files around to resolve the issue. 35 characters is very disappointing. Is this for the file and cross reference or the whole file path? I am not sure how you are going to be able to link from one Framemaker file to another, including a cross-reference name (especially when you can use heading for the cross-reference name) with a limitation like this. We also have a large library with many directories. We utilize single sourcing, so some files are in completely other directories from the file that is cross-referencing to it. From what you are telling me, it sounds like we no longer have the ability to use cross-references from one file to another in our library structure. Are you saying that all cross references basically need to be in the same file to allow cross references to work properly in RoboHelp? We moved from a WebWorks solution and we never had any issues with our links.
What I don't understand is the marker is in the destination file in the converted RoboHelp files, but the link is completely missing the <a href="#XREF_name ofmarker"> code in the cross-reference link. When I go in and manually link the cross-reference in RoboHelp, it works. This seems like a bug. I think having a 35 character limit on a filepath, filename, and cross-reference name is not going to work for anyone that has any sort of complex directory structure with multiple authors, sharing content and since it isn't a limitation of HTML, I don't see why this functions this way. Manually linking isn’t a reasonable option for us. We have a publishing system that publishes all of our output. We have hundreds of files that are generated automatically. -
How to fix crashing when PDF and procedure for cross reference?
I'm using Frame 8. When I try to PDF my book, Frame crashes. I have tried PDFing the individual chapters, but that didn't work.
Also, I'm trying to create either a cross reference or hyperlink. I have a paragraph that says "For more information, see the Setup section in Chapter 1" The Setup section in chapter 1 is a heading 4. I've tried using the instructions in the Frame help, but I don't understand them, and I don't know whether I need a hyperlink or a cross reference. Can I get simpler explanation and how-to?
Thanks!Several things could be causing the crashing during the PDF creation process.
1. Have you applied the MS hotfix mentioned here?
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2009/07/repost_hotfix_for_framemaker.html
2. In your PDF Setup, make sure that you have Tagged PDF turned off and in the Links panel enable "Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs".
Try it again and also make sure that you have applied all of the FM8 patches in sequence.
You can use either cross-references or hypertext links to create the jumps, though cross-refs are easier to do and maintain.
1. To insert a cross-ref to the Chapter 1 Setup section, you first would need to have Chapter 1 open along with the document that you are currently working on.
2. At the location where you want to insert the cross-reference, select the Special > Cross-Reference menu option.
3. For the first time that you use a cross-reference, you have create a format for it. In your case the "For more information, see the" and "section in" are constant strings and the section name "Setup" and "Chapter 1" are the variables.
a) Click on the "Edit Format" button in the Reference section towards the bottom of the window. This will open a new dialogue window allowing you to create a format for use.
b) In this window, give the format a name so that you can easily identify it, such as "More info in Chapter section".
c) Then you have to enter in the "Defintion" line what you want the cross-ref to say, which could be (without quotes) "For more information, see the <$paratext> section in <$paranum[Chapter]>." The items in the angled brackets are building blocks used by FM to pick up content from the specified destination when you make the cross-ref. The first one <$paratext> specifies to grab the content of the paragragh that you point to (in this case it should be "Setup" section heading. The <$paranum[Chapter}> item will grab the autonumber value from the Chapter tag (or use whichever one that you have for chapter numbering at the start of each chapter).
d) Once you're satisfied with your format, click on the Add and then Done buttons. This will save thgis format in the cross-ref catalog.
4. To actually insert the cross-ref, select the target document (e.g. Chapter 1) from the drop down list for "Dcoument:".
5. Then under the Source Type (the down arrow below the Document), make sure that you have Paragraphs selected.
6. In the left column you will see the paratags available in the Chapter 1 document.
7. Pick the paratag type that contains the Setup section title (heading 4 ?).
8. In the right-hand column you should then see all of the heading 4 tags in Chapter 1.
9. Select the Setup in this column.
10. Check that the Format line shows the one that you created earlier ("More Info in Chapter Section") and then click on the Insert button.
You're done.
If you don't like the formatting or it's picking up the wrong content, then open the cross-ref dialogue again and edit the format to get what you want.
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