29,97 sequence to PAL 25 fps

So, I have a sequence, that I wish to end up on PAL SD (DVD). The original footage is an MPEG-1, 652x480, 29,97 fps).
Right now the seq is set to 29,97. It's edited and all set for export.
What's the best way to go from Final Cut? Export the seq as self-contained and bring it to Compressor, where I encode to (for example) DV50 PAL?
Or can I simply choose DV50 25 fps using QuickTime conversion in FCP?
Simply just encode the 29,97 file to MPEG-2 (PAL, 25 fps) results in much shorter audio, which does not work...

Niklas Wikman wrote:
So, I have a sequence, that I wish to end up on PAL SD (DVD). The original footage is an MPEG-1, 652x480, 29,97 fps).
Right now the seq is set to 29,97. It's edited and all set for export.
What's the best way to go from Final Cut? Export the seq as self-contained and bring it to Compressor, where I encode to (for example) DV50 PAL?
Doesn't have to be self-contained, a reference movie will do.
However, you might get better results using JES deinterlacer
Or can I simply choose DV50 25 fps using QuickTime conversion in FCP?
Not a good idea

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