Additional AGP card vs. onboard graphics card

In the latest weeks I've been gaming a little (I didn't use to) and tried some racing games such as Toca Race Driver 2, NFS 2 Underground, Colin Mcrae 2005, etc. All of them seem not to run smoothly with the onboard graphics. My question is: how much better will they run with a cheap graphics card? (I don't want to spend much money because I don't usually play games at all) Is the onboard card so crappy for gaming?
For the last question, I'd like to test my onboard graphics. What is the best (or a good) benchmark for this? 3DMark? Can I find benchmark results for the other graphics cards in other to compare them with mine?
As far as I know, the number of triangles generated by the GF4 MX is 34 million and, for example, a FX5600 XT can draw "only" 81 million (not so much difference, IMHO).
Regards.

i have a ATI radeon 9800pro in my MSI mega 865 and its definitely a huge improvement...
i mainly use my MSI fro MediaPortal (http://mediaportal.sf.net) ..an all-in-one HTPC app ...it makes use of HardwareMotionCompensation, DirectXVideoAccelleratioon, as well as VMR9 ....
all these extra graphic features are not availible with the on-board MSI Intel Graphics Extreme 2 VPU ...
i now can play any number of new games on my MSI mega with this card...Half-Life 2 is brilliant
it makes a huge difference to overall speed of the MSI too

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Hi, "Beware of greeks bearing gifts." Obviously there are reasons why you have ended up with a hand-me-down. One might be a bad motherboard graphics processor. You need to provide more information about your hardware configuration. Additionally, contact your friend and find out what HP product was the motherboard installed in so we can look for specific information. Post back when you have more information.

(solved) get X to use my PCI card instead of onboard graphics.

I'm trying to install arch on an old P4 dell (dimension 2350) and given the specific requirements and restrictions of this given beast I'm having a bit of trouble getting X configured. (I'm turning it into a replacement for my modded xbox running xbmc, yes, I know it won't play hi-def)
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Last edited by ctarwater (2009-04-05 00:44:18)

Oh my God -.- I had that page open, read through it but I didn't realized that my solution was written there
Thanks very much!! It worked :-)

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but I fancied a bit of extra performance in games so I got an Asus N6200 128mb AGP card.
6200 is no good for gaming, probably no better than the onboard graphics you already have now
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Its half height and has passive cooling so it looked ideal for the Mega.
passively cooled cards rely on good case airflow to help keep them cool, and small barebones PCs generally suffer from a lack of airflow

Why half size AGP card with Prescott CPU?

I have a P4 2.8Ghz Prescott and a Mega 865 Deluxe. The system should be able to support this cpu (with the 1.2 BIOS); see website http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/slim_pc/slm/pro_slm_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=547&kind=4
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Please search the forum before aksing questions, since this has been asked, and answered before ....
(always wanted to say that)
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Nico4711,
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New Egg
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Hello!
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Originally posted by Qnt
Hello!
I have a K7N2G-ILSR and I would like to use the Integrated Graphics together with an AGP-Card.
Is that possible?
I found nothing in my BIOS to reactivate the IGP after installing the AGP-Card. But it would be such nice to use nview just with IGP and a simple AGP-Card.
Tnx, Qnt
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first excuse my very bad english
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<http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=CC1BA768&nplm= M8661>
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<http://www.welovemacs.com/agpg5vica.html>
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