Adventures in Aperture Episode 1: Image Roundtrip

As discussed here on the Aperture discussion boards, Frank noticed damage to shadow areas on exported images from Aperture.
He offered up the NEF that he used in his thread.
There were several discussions on whether or not the steps take were the same.
I decided to record my steps in a desktop video capture and call them "Adventures in Aperture".
Steps
1. Import NEF Aperture
-NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
2. Export as full sized JPG
-Black point compensation setting did not matter
3. Import that JPG into Aperture
4. Compare the two images(NEF and JPG) in Aperture
5. Conclusion is that there is blocking and noise in the shadow areas.
Why can we not complete this image roundtrip?
Here is a link to my desktop video capture of me running the test with voice over:
http://homepage.mac.com/john.rayl/iMovieTheater3.html
Let me know what you think of the test and results.

Lets take the scenic route on this roundtrip.
1. Import RAW Nef to Aperture
--MAKE NO ADJUSTMENTS
2. Open in external editor (i.e. CS2)
--MAKE NO CHANGES in CS2, however you must do something like create a duplicate of the background and then delete it so CS2 will have a reason for you to Save it, otherwise the "Save" choice stays greyed out.
3. Export that new version that just came back from CS2, export as a JPG.
4. Import the JPG from step three into Aperture
5. Loupe tool reveals that both the original RAW file AND this new JPG(from step 3) look EXACTLY THE SAME!!
-John(Aperture Q/A)

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clapperincus wrote:
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I do not know how it used to work, but I tested and you are correct that with PS 12.1 and with Aperture 3.2.2 a JPEG sent to open in external editor (PS) is opened into your choice of lossless format and then goes back to Aperture in the lossless format you chose.
IMO this is the way it should be, because every save into JPEG loses image data, so such saves should be limited to the final export, in this case when the image actually leaves Aperture. If the file was compressed as a JPEG when leaving PS, decompressed and edited in Aperture, then compressed again to export as JPEG from Aperture, unnecessary additional image data loss would occur.
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excuse my lousy english...
Problem with Aperture:
Small preview images do not show the changes.
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Since the project 11 are in the preview images shown (on the bottom bar in the shared representation) and in the pictures in the books no adjustments. I change for example a picture in b / w it remains in the small preview images bunt even though the great View Erbild s / w is. Even in the books then the famous picture colorful and even grobpixelig.
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Lokoe,
To make sure we understand:
I change for example a picture in b / w it remains in the small preview images bunt even though the *great View Erbild s / w is*.
I am not sure what "s/w" is, but I think you mean:
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Even in the books then the famous picture colorful and even grobpixelig.
"In the books the selected picture is colorful and even ???"
"Grobpixelig" -> "grosspixelig" -> "Looks like big pixels???" Not quite sure of the translation. It's been 15 years since I spoke Deutsch!
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jazzvm wrote:
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