Alternative AEBS setup to Bridged mode? Qwest DSL, ActionTec GT701

I just upgraded to the new dual mode AEBS and it's a different setup than my old Airport Extreme that died. Things are working OK at the moment with the AEBS in bridge mode (which is required to avoid the double NAT error), letting the GT701 handle PPPoE, NAT and DHCP. But as I've learned from these forums, this disables the Guest Network feature on the AEBS, and also requires me to e.g. setup port forwarding via the GT701 web interface. I've read I can put the GT701 in bridge mode and have everything including PPPoE authentication handled by the AEBS, but if possible, I think I'd prefer to have the GT701 handle only the PPPoE authentication with the Qwest server, but manage all LAN settings and functions via the AEBS. Is this kind of configuration possible? If so, what are the correct GT701 and AEBS settings?
Please don't let my throwing around of these acronyms fool you - I'm know little about this stuff. I tried to get help from Qwest ("we only support the basic configuration, for advanced configuration talk to ActionTec...") and ActionTec ("Qwest provides all DSL support for their modems, you need to call them..."), to no avail. I've downloaded the manual for the GT701, but I'm in over my head already. Suggestions welcome, thanks.

Option 1: Set up the WRT as access point. Follow these instructions. (I think the actiontec uses 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 by default thus 192.168.0.2 should be a good LAN IP address for the WRT).
Option 2: Put the Actiontec into bridge mode which basically turns of the router. Then configure the WRT for your internet connection and connect it with the internet port to the modem. However, in case you have to use PPPoA (i.e. you have PPPoA configure in the modem at the moment) then you cannot do it. The WRT54GS does not support PPPoA only PPPoE.
Please make sure that there is no USB connection to the modem! The USB connection will interfere with the connection through the ethernet port!

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Bridge mode for DSL modem

Hey all,
I recently purchsed a WRT54G (v5.0) wireless-G router for my apartment. There will be 4 users on the network: 2 PC's (wired), 1 xbox (wired), 1 mac laptop (wireless). I have been having a few issues setting everything up and could use some advice.
First, does the SBC Yahoo! DSL modem need to be in bridged mode or normal mode? Currently it is in bridge mode and I am having some issues with the router dropping the connection (PPPoe Authentication failing). If anyone knows how the modem should be set up, I would love to know.
Second, DHCP on the router seems to be having some issues. For example, one of the PC's is running Ubuntu (6.06 Dapper Drake), and while it is able to obtain an IP through DHCP, it does not show up on the DHCP Clients Table on the router. Has anyone seen similar problems?
I updated the firmware to v1.09, in case that makes any difference.

first :- does the PPPoE connection work or no ? i'd suggest that you also try to clone the MAC address of the PC along with PPPoE , certain ISP's use dual authentication modes ...The bridge mode is fine .
As far as your DHCP client list is concerned...do the other PC's show up on the DHCP client ?

AEBS in bridge mode

What am I doing wrong?
Hi, this is a re-branded follow-up post of a question yesterday.
I'm trying to make my AEBS work in bridge mode without success. I have followed instructions from documentation (http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/DesigningAirPort_Networksv4.2.pdf) but it still does not work.
Here is a quick picture of what I have done:
iMac-))))((((- AEBS ----- MacBook
The iMac has its Airport interface and the MacBook its built-in ethernet interface manually configured on a common subnet. The AEBS does not allocate IPs and has a self-assigned IP. The AEBS is physically connected to the MacBook via its LAN port.
Still the iMac and MacBook cannot see each other.
Questions:
- The AEBS and the macs are configured to use WAP2 personal. Can that cause a pbm?
- What else should I check?
- Any other info I coud provide to help?
Thx for any help
Eric
MacBook, iMac, mini, G4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)
MacBook, iMac, mini, G4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)
MacBook, iMac, mini, G4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)
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If I understand your post correctly, you are using your iMac as a wireless base station to create a wireless network. Then you want your AEBS to join that network. Is that correct?
If that is correct, it will not work. The AEBS can only wirelessly join a network if it is configured to use WDS. Since the iMac acting as a wireless base station does not support WDS this is not possible.
I hope that I am misunderstanding your setup. Since the iMac and MacBook both have wireless capability, why are you trying to use the AEBS as a bridge?

Cannot access DSL modem in bridge mode w/ Airport Extreme

Hi
I have the following setup:
DSL Modem: Used in bridge mode + NAT/DHCP/Firewall turned off. Static IP is set to 192.168.2.1
Airport Extreme: In PPPOE mode with Shared IP (which is selected by default): Distributes IP range 192.168.1.X with subnet 255.255.255.0. At this point, Airport Extreme's IP address is what it gets from the ISP, basically DSL Modem is passing thru' this to the AE.
Ethernet cable is running from DSL modem to AE's WAN.
In this mode, everything works fine and me and all others can use Internet fine...
But the problem is that I can't ping/ access DSL modem at all in this mode. Basically, I need to login to the DSL modem to monitor my DSL connection quality (SNR, Attenuation, etc.) but whatever I tried I could not figure out how.
Basically, I tried setting a static IP on the DSL modem as 192.168.1.3, this did not work. I read somewhere that it needs to be on a different subnet, so tried using 192.168.2.1, that did not work either.
If I connect the DSL modem to a machine directly and set that machine's IP to 192.168.2.10, it can connect to the DSL modem, but there is no way I could access this DSL modem from the setup I explained above.
I am simply out of solutions at this point and any idea would be appreciated.
Thanks a ton!

What you are asking about is generally possible but probably not with an Airport Extreme. As others have noted you SHOULD be able to access a DSL modem in bridge mode via it's "lan" IP address if you directly attach a cable to it and configure your computer with appropriate static IP settings (I'm assuming that in bridge mode the DSL modem has it's DHCP server disabled).
This approach can also be achieve through a router with sufficiently flexible configuration options (e.g. openwrt open-source firmware). Basically the router attaches its WAN port to the modem like usual. Then the router is configured to do PPPOE via the WAN port while SIMULTANEOUSLY assigning the WAN port a static IP address that can connect to the modem's LAN address. Finally the router firewall must be configured to pass traffic from the DSL modem LAN IP back to the network.
So your intuition suggesting that this should be possible is absolutely right. However; you can probably also see from the steps required why most modems simply (incorrectly) document that it isn't possible.
Here's a link with some gory details on achieving this with an openwrt-based router: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=10952

A question about bridge mode

I have a DSL modem which is set to distribute IP addresses. Wireless network is off.
A Time Capsule (connected to DSL modem by Ethernet) which is in bridge mode and creates the wireless network.
Question: should I be able to connect to Internet through a Ethernet connection at the Time Capsule?
thanks
Ken

I would first verify that the Time Capsule is setup as a bridge as follows:
Open Macintosh HD > Applications > Utilities > AirPort Utility
Click Manual Setup
Click the Internet icon
Connect Using = Ethernet
Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)
If all appears to be well, try connecting the ethernet cable from your gateway to one of the other ports on the Time Capsule. In other words, if you have it connected to the WAN port (circle icon) now, connect to one of the other three LAN <-> ports.
Truth be known, when the Time Capsule is setup in bridge mode, all the ports behave the same. It does not matter which you use. If the WAN port has taken a hit from a nearby lightning strike or a power surge, the other 3 ports may still be operational.
Any luck?
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AEBS Setup Problem

I have an 18 mo old IMAC and Comcast cable internet service. I currently have a linksys wireless router that has been problem free and stable since I bought the Imac.
I just bought another new Imac and at the same time purchased a new AEBS, thinking I'd upgrade my wireless for the new machine, plus am hoping for better signal strength for our laptops in parts of the house.
I have tried and tried to get the new AEBS to connect to the internet, following instructions carefully and even trying several of the solutions posted on this site. I have turned our cable modem off for 45 mins so that it would reset. Comcast is DHCP service. The light on the front of the AEBS shows green, and my Imac is connected to the AEBS via airport, but I cannot get to the internet.
What else might I try? What utilities could I use to better diagnose the problem? I have invested 2 full evenings in this endeavor and have zero to show for it.

Not sure if I can help here, but will offer a few comments on your post:
+I was reading some post that reported that if you extend the wireless signal you will lose speed by 50%+
This is probably referring to an older WDS type of setup and refers to using wireless only to expand the network. The speed is not necessarily reduced by 50%, but the bandwidth of the network will drop by 50% for each remote device in the setup. You are using ethernet to hook up devices, so this will not apply to your setup.
If you have the Uverse router setup as your main router, normally any other routers that come after the main router must be setup in bridge mode, connection sharing "off" to prevent DHCP conflicts and double NAT errors. You only want one router controlling DHCP and NAT on a network. But, I'm not familiar with the details of DMZ.
+I create a wireless network, and have Allow this network to be extended (checked) radio mode is 802.11n (5 Ghz)-802.11n 2.4 only) Radio channel is Auto+
The "Allow this network to be extended" setting is pertinent if you are extending your network by wireless only. In the next paragraph you state that the 4 AEBS devices are being connected by ethernet and are in bridge mode, which is the correct setting. In addition to the same network name and password, they must also have the same security setting. But, it's important that they are set to different wireless Channels to minimize the chance of wireless interference. Ideally, you want them setup with channels that are as far from each other as possible. With 4-5 devices, the best you will do is setup every other channel.
You could set the TC up the same way (bridge mode) using ethernet if you wanted to do backups over ethernet and wireless. The TC could also create another wireless area if you need it. The same rules apply here as above.

Time Machine not working in Bridge mode

I have a AE6400 setup in bridge mode. The reason that it is in bridge mode is because I have my apple backup hardware on the other side and I believe having it in a Firewall mode would not allow this to work ( at least not easily). I have a client on the inside (Mac book Pro) and a WD Cloud Mirror on the outside. The Mac can see the standard shared folder that comes with WD.
However, the shared timeMachineBackup drive does not show in bridge mode. I thought that was the whole point of having a bridge mode?!! Am I missing something?
I have tried connecting the Mac directly to the other side (outside) of the Linksys, hence bypassing it, and every thing works like a charm. Is there a secret sauce here or am I missing this? Thanks

Is there a Wireless Bridge mode option listed there?

AC1600 (EA6400) In Bridge mode

My AC1600 (EA5400) is setup in Bridge mode, all is working correctly except that on the main router which is a Linksys 4200 it will not acknowledge the parental settings, on the EA5400 I only have 3 options Conectivity, Troubleshooting and Wireless. on the 4200 the same 3 settings are plus Device List, Guest access, Parental Controls, Media Prioritization, Speed test, external storage and security. I am sure if I cascade the routers I will have the options but will have to maintain the Parental Controls on both, is there a setting a am missing that will not allow the Parental settings to work?

What Parental Controls settings are you trying to do? And which router are trying to set the Parental Controls? If the EA6400 is on Bridge mode, it will have limited settings since most of the settings will only work when on Router mode. I agree on using EA6400 as the main router and cascade the E4200 as an access point. Set the Parental Controls settings on the EA6400.

Bridge Mode/3rd Party Router

I have DSL and use a Verizon issued Actiontec GT784WN router. I want to make this Actiontec router only a modem so that i can use my Cisco EA4500 router as my wireless router. I need to be able to access the Cisco router via WAN (remote access). Can this be done. Seen some stuff around, however the Verizon GUI on the Actiontec GT784WN Router does not list any bridge mode that i can find.

There is definitely a bridge mode on the ActionTec that I've seen in the past. I will need to turn mine on and find out where it is. It's either called "Bridge" or RFC-2684 Bridge, and can be found in your modem's PPPoE or VC Settings. Either one of these modes should disable routing on the modem and hand off responsibility to an external device.
If there is a mode called Static NAT, you can use that to give your router the public IP while leaving your ability to access the ActionTec intact, and gives you the option to make the router "Plug and Play" so you don't have to configure PPPoE.
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Extend Wifi with Airport Express when Airport Extreme is in Bridge Mode

Hello,
I'm trying to make my Wifi network easier at home but Im having some trouble.
My Internet Provider installed a Router at home. So I had to connect my Airport Extreme to the IP Router via cable and setup in Bridge Mode.
In my Airport Extreme I created a Wifi Network called WIFI HOME.
Than I connected two Airport Express into my Airport Extreme via cable and created two new wifi networks: WIFI HOME 2 and WIFI HOME 3.
But, in my opinion, this is not cleaver way to have my Wifi Network setup, since I have to change networks all the time.
The problem is that every time I tried to extend my current WIFI HOME setup into one of the Airport Express, the Airport Express crashes during the setup reset and my network starts to behave wrongly.
I'm starting to think that is something related to the Bridge Mode in my Airport Extreme. but I want to check with you guys if that makes any sense.
Thanks a lot!

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Disconnect the Ethernet cables
Wait a minute
Power up one of the AirPort Express devices for a few minutes
Hold in the reset button on the Express for 10 seconds and release
Allow a full minute for the AirPort Express to restart to a slow, blinking amber light
Connect the Ethernet cable to the WAN "O" port on the AirPort Express if it is a two port version
Click the AirPort icon at the top of the Mac's screen
Look for a listing of New AirPort Bsee Station
Click on AirPort Express
The setup utility will open up automatically and take a minute to analyze the network. Then, it will suggest that the Express be configured to Extend the AirPort Extreme network.
Type in a name that you want to call the AirPort Express. Example........Express1
Click Next
Then, the screen message will change to indicate that the AirPort Express is being configured to extend using Ethernet.
When you see the message of Setup Complete, click Done.
The first Express is now set up and working correctly.
Set up the second Express exactly the same way........except give it a different name to avoid confusion.....Example......Express2.

AEBS setup question

I am going to install a AEBS in an office I am moving to. I have an ethernet cable that comes out of the wall. I don't know if it comes from a modem or a router. Does this affect how I configure the AEBS, eg. Bridge mode or not (don't understand this mode)?
Can I just connect to the WAN input & set it up to create a new network?

Among other things, a router normally supplies DHCP services for a network, which means that it hands out IP addresses to connected devices. You only want one device controlling DHCP, so if you have two routers on a network, you should turn off the DHCP services on the second device to allow the main router to control the network.
When DHCP is off, the router is in "bridge mode", which means that it simply passes IP address information through to connected devices. The second router can be configured to create a wireless network, but DHCP will still be controlled by the main router.
In most cases, you don't want two routers both handling DHCP on a network because conflicts will usually occur when this happens. The usual results are loss of internet connection and some devices may not be able to communicate with other devices. There are exceptions, but things get tricky. For most users, the simplest approach is the best and most reliable.

Arris modem & AEBS in bridge mode w/ OS X server (Yosemite)

I have been using a AEBS (ac) as router in bridge mode behind an Arris cable modem (with its own wireless network setup) and have it create a wireless network. I extended it with 1xAEBS (ac) and 2x AEBS (n) to reach all corners of the house, all in "extend" and "bridge" mode. The AEBS (ac) router is using Ethernet cable to connect to Arris modem. This setup worked well for me and still does, until...
Recently, to get access to my files on the network from the Internet, I installed OS X server (4.2) on Yosemite running on a MP (have a few drives attached). I intend to use the servers VPN service, but cannot get its new reachability tool to identify any services running. After doing some searching I found tutorials on how to run the AEBS in DHCP and NAT mode, which results in a double NAT error the way my modem/provider service is setup.
I have not been able to find a tutorial how to configure the server in Internet mode behind the AEBS (ac) router in bridge mode. I do have a domain name, but the service provider does not offer Dynamic DNS service. And I did let the server install the DNS services automatically.
A server setup guide when running AEBS in bridge mode would be very helpful.
I would need some help configuring the AEBS router as well as setting up the server - thanks a lot!

I see nobody else has jumped in.. so I read this last night and thought it was a bit too hard..
But perhaps I can get you to at least clarify some stuff.
Arris cable modem (with its own wireless network setup)
What model is the arris? Since it has its own wireless it is a router.. or what is sometimes called gateway.
I have been using a AEBS (ac) as router in bridge mode
You cannot use "as router" in bridge.. they are opposites.. but I think you just mean.. AEBS is in bridge.. the mention of router is to qualify the AEBS which we know is a router.
I intend to use the servers VPN service, but cannot get its new reachability tool to identify any services running.
I do not use server and I would not have done the setup this way to get access to your files.. but the vpn service should work.
Test by using a computer on the local network running a vpn client to see if you can log in to the server. It is much easier to get things working locally before you attempt to do it remotely.
What type of vpn is it.. I can look it up but easier if you post the details.. each vpn uses different port forwarding requirements. PPTP is different to IPSEC which is different to L2TP which is different to SSL.
After doing some searching I found tutorials on how to run the AEBS in DHCP and NAT mode, which results in a double NAT error the way my modem/provider service is setup.
You cannot run two routers.. that will mess things up. The AEBS should be in bridge.. double NAT will kill your access.
I have not been able to find a tutorial how to configure the server in Internet mode behind the AEBS (ac) router in bridge mode. I do have a domain name, but the service provider does not offer Dynamic DNS service. And I did let the server install the DNS services automatically.
Some of this I have not used.. so I cannot say much.. I much prefer to do vpn using vpn routers.. it is far easier.
Anyway.. the bridged AEBS is irrelevant.. your problem is needing to setup the Arris for VPN pass through. This sometimes involves something simple like tick a box.. it can also be complicated and need port forwarding.
You can use Dynamic DNS client in the Arris.. that will be the best place to set this up.
You will need to download and read carefully the manual for your arris gateway.
Let me also suggest you run ethernet directly to the arris .. bypass the Extreme altogether.. it is not related to this setup but can cause issues.. because Apple have some inbuilt ipsec security for BTMM.
For setting up yosemite server to do vpn I recommend you post in the Server OS area of the discussions.

Bridge mode for airport extreme or dsl modem? Recomendations?

I'm upgrading to a 'blisteringly fast' 12 Mbps with my local DSL ISP (no cable in my area), and I'm thinking of changing out my
My current, antiquated setup is with a Speedstream 5200 Modem/Router (8 Mbps max) with a Linksys E1200 802.11n router. We have an Apple TV with HDMI into a stout Panasonic plasma, 2 Macs, 3 iPads (2xgen4 + mini), 3 5C iPhones and an old Dell Winbox (XP vintage that I will toss out) that access this configuration in a good-sized house (2 stories, ~4000 sq.ft.).
The Linksys 'n' speed router is somewhat adequate, but we want to do movie/video/music streaming to the AppleTV and we want to buy a new Mac (probably a Mac-mini to replace the Winbox). I also want to future-proof this setup for a few years, given the pain it usually is to do a wholesale swap-out like what I'm contemplating. I want to swap-out this pairing with:
a DSL modem/router to either a Netgear DM111PSP-100NAS (ADSL2+) or an older, but robust Actiontec GT-701D (or the newer -NF).
an Airport Extreme (802.11ac) to manage my Apple menagerie for fast streaming, and also to hang a poor man's network file storage off the USB port.
I'm asking for some recommendations from the community at-large so I can minimize the hassles when I do this swap-out. Which of the two devices (the modem/router or the AE router) should I put in bridge mode? Any performance penalties one way or another, or hidden gotchas?
Thanks in advance.
Craig

I'm back and wanted to put a coda on this thread.
First of all, many thanks to the recommendations by Tesserax and LaPastenague. You helped allay my fears in converting over to the Time Capsule environment.
The home network is working just great. Internal speed-ups all the way around. TC is working great as both a file server AND a Time Machine site. The Netgear DSL modem is the firewall and the DHCP server for my network. As stated in earlier posts, it has superior firewall capabilities compared to the Time Capsule. I configured the Time Capsule to Bridge Mode with my iPhone 5C, the configuration of which only took a couple of minutes. The speed between the 802.11 ac devices, my TC and the new Mac Mini, are unbelievably fast--on the order of 150+ Mbps at a distance of 40 feet or so through several walls--beamforming really does appear to work as advertised. That doesn't matter overall except for the Time Machine aspects, as my DSL line is a blisteringly fast 12 Mbps.
The only glitch I've had over the last 3 weeks was due to a short power outage, and the main problem was the networking with hard ethernet connection to the Time Capsule. I had to reboot the Netgear modem, as it was in a funky state, while other devices, such as my new Mac Mini, were waiting for the modem to vend a DHCP address. It turns out that the Apple TV had some persistence with its old DHCP-vended address, and the Mac Mini somehow received its IP address first--which conflicted with the Apple TV. Now, I'm not sure why the wirelessly networked Mac Mini beat the Apple TV to receiving a DHCP vending first, but it did, and the address persistence of the Apple TV created a conflict on the Apple TV network connection. Once I realized the problem, I shut down the Mac Mini and made sure all my other devices were off as well. I then restarted the entire network, the Apple TV received its IP address first, and all was well again. Granted, I could have disconnected the ethernet and allowed really fast wireless to the Apple TV, but it's only 4 feet away from the Time Capsule, so I might as well have the fastest pipe available for HD streaming to my large-format HD television.
The switchover was absolutely painless. Both the modem and the Time Capsule took, all total, about 10 minutes to set up and configure. Much easier than with Winboxes. Other than the Apple TV IP conflict after the power outage, it's been a real delight.
I'm very happy I switched to this new network configuration.

Bridge mode for Airport Express or DSL modem?

I bought a new DSL modem (Netgear Broadband ADSL modem DM111PSP) to replace my old Westell. I also bought the new Aiport Express station (2012 model) to create the WiFI network at home. At the moment, the AE is in Bridge mode so that the DSL modem is on PPPoE to be the one assigning IP's for 3 portable Macs (2 on Wifi and 1 on Powerline->Ethernet). My ISP is AT&T.
I wonder if anyone can answer my following questions:
1) When Apple claims that the AE can support up to 50 concurrent users using the Internet, does that also apply to the AE in Bridge mode?
2) Can my ISP detect the fact that I have 3 computers with the current setup and start charging me more?
3) What will happen if I put the modem in Bridge mode and AE in PPPoE? Can my ISP still track the same info in (2)?
Thank you so much.
My computers (1 MacBook Pro and 2 MacBooks) are all on OS 10.6.8.
Gary

I thought AE cannot assign IP's once in Bridge mode.
That is correct. DHCP and NAT services are turned off when the AirPort Is configured in Bridge Mode.
If both modem and AE assign IP, would that create 'Double NAT' error?
Correct. Either the modem/router has to be in Bridge Mode and the AirPort handles DHCP and NAT.....or.....the modem/router handles DHCP and NAT and the AirPort is set up in Bridge Mode.
There are upsides and downsides to either approach. The simplest setup is to let the modem/router handle DHCP and NAT and configure the AirPort in Bridge Mode.
However, if you were planning to use the Guest Network feature of the new AirPort Express, then the modem/router must be configured in Bridge Mode and and the AirPort handles the DHCP and NAT.

AEBS in bridge mode: wired problems

Hello, I can't manage to setup AEBS to fit my needs.
Here's the situation:
There's a router/switch that provides net access (wired) to the flats in my building. It distributes IPs through DHCP (in the range 10.68.3.x).
Plug1 (office room): Mac Pro, wired connection
Plug2 (living room): AEBS (through LAN port)
AEBS LAN port: XBox 360
AEBS wireless: Powerbook
the AEBS is configured to be a client to DHCP and in bridge mode.
the Mac Pro, AEBS and Powerbook get correctly their config (in the 10.68.3.x range) but the XBox does not (169.254.240.x).
If I wire the powerbook to the AEBS and switch off airport, same thing, it loses its config and get a 169. address.
So basically, it seems it bridges between LAN and wireless but not between LAN/LAN.
I know i can get something working if i accept to have the MacPro on another subnet than the network after the AEBS (if i use DHCP/NAT with AEBS). But then I loose the possibility to share files between the two computers.
Another possibility would be to use a switch before the AEBS for the wired part of the network i guess, but i'd prefer not to add one more piece of hardware.
Does anyone went through this type of problems or setup? Or is it definitely not possible? Any clue will help.
PS: The final network would be more complicated if i get past this stage (WDS with Airport Express to cover the whole flat)

Arkhleyi, Welcome to the discussion area!
Plug2 (living room): AEBS (through LAN port)
Have you tried changing this to the WAN port?

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