Batch Reverse Telecine - Cannot Select Fields?

Hi, I'm trying to reverse telecine some footage and I've run into a problem where the only way to do it correctly is to it manually, one clip at a time. When I run a reverse telecine on individual cips, I have the option of selecting the field order (ie AA/BB).
The problem is when I try to run a batch reverse telecine, I can no longer select the correct field order. For my particular footage I need to select the "CD" field order in order for the pulldown to be correctly removed. However, for some insane reason, I cannot select the correct field order with Batch Reverse Telecine.
Why is this? Can I expect a resolution for this any time soon? Or is Apple not going to correct this before they release another update that I have to pay for...
Anybody have any insight?

... running into the precise same problem right now. very frustrating.
the manual indicates that the "batch" feature should use the settings that were set on the last individual clip reversed (ie if the last clip was set to use BB, then the batch should be done using BB). this is clearly not how it is working, or i am missing something (every time i try, the batch is done to AA)
R.

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