Trying to do Batch Reverse Telecine on 59.94fps clips ...is it possible?

Hi,
I'm working on a project that was shot on a Panasonic HVX-200 (P2 cards) and a chunk was filmed at 59.94fps. We've decided to transfer everything to HDCAM and I need to get everything at 23.98fps. I've tried to use Cinema Tools to convert these filese to 59.94 but I get the error "This file does not have an NTSC frame rate." ...which it does but it's just US HD.
Anyone have any advice for me? Are there any other programs that I can use to remove the interlace?
I need to have all the material ready by Tuesday so I'm a bit anxious to find an answer!
THANKS.

You don't need to capture (real time) as with DV. It is usually more a case of just dragging the files over to the PC - if the camera shows as a mass USB storage device. Alternatively most of the bundled software comes with utilities to shift the files onto the PC (eg Picure Motion Browser from Sony)

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hi. hope the gurus can help.
we shot a short with dvx 100a. we shot on 24p (NORMAL). I am trying to create a 23.98 workflow for the video. all the footage was captured in DV NTSC, and used cinema tools to Reverse Telecine. here come the issues: how do I know which "capture mode" the DVX uses? also which "Style." I tried different settings, and the strange part is that some settings work for some clips while others work for other clips, even though all clips were captured the same way. when i say worked, i mean some showed obvious "flicker" or "ghosting" and some were fantastic. all this on a 23.98 timeline in FCP.
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when i look at the counter on the original tape, how
would i be able to tell if it was shot in 24p or any
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http://home.aol.com/ajaynejr/pulldown.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
http://www.zerocut.com/tech/pulldown.html
http://www.denecke.com/24pinfo.htm
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