Controlling without Cost Centers

My current client has business processes that means the use of internal orders as permanent cost collectors with no settlement meets its requirements better than cost centers.
Has anyone ever known of an implementation that uses controlling but does not use cost centers, if not cant anyone see any issues?
Thanks
Steve

Hi,
I was once in a project, which did not use cost centres. Technically, it's possible and there is no problem with this approach, but functionally, I'd recommend to use one dummy cost centre anyway.
Regards,
Eli

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Hello,
is it possible to copy a group of cost centers from one controlling area to another?
Or a group of internal orders?
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Jasmina

No. If you used any upload tools like LSMW, perhaps you may use that for uploading the second controlling area.

Compounding Controlling areas and Cost Centers

Hi,
We have only one Controlling area value, say ZC11. I am looking at an InfoObject Master Data table for an InfoObject, and it seems that there are no differences in the records with the Controlling area and Cost Centers with those of blank Controlling areas and Cost Centers.
Is it necesary to define the compounded InfoObject of the Controlling Area to the Cost Centers in this case? I understand that compounding is for use if there are many different Controlling Areas for the same Cost Centers.
What would be the best approach on this?
Thanks,
RT

Hi Bhanu,
May I ask what would be the core change of the SAP InfoObject? I would think that modeling wise, it would be beneficial to not compound if there was just one Controlling area.
I am actually uploading data and I am getting an error that lists the error "value Cost Center/Controlling Area/ Company code is not permitted for characteristics Company Code". I am sending only the value Cost Center but somehow it is looking for the Controlling Area. Should I be sending both the Controlling area and its correspdoning Cost Center?
Thanks,
RT
Message was edited by: Rob Thomas

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Hi there CO people, I'd like to ask about currency settings in CO S_ALR_87013611 report (Cost Centers: Actual/Plan/Variance)
The question is ... where can I define the currency in which report output should be displayed?
I've got such situation, that amounts for USER_X are displayed in CURR_X currency, whilst for USER_Y amounts in report are displayed in CURR_Y currency.
Could You tell me some tip? Or give some literature-track to follw? I'd be thankful for help. Greetings. P.

USER_X -> TCode: RPC0 -> Tab: Report currency -> Tick 'Objeck currency' (Before was: 'Controlling area currency')
now USER_X has got the same currency as USER_Y
That solved my problem
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1. Can the cost centers be be assigned internal number ranges?
2. Can the cost centers be alpha-numeric to identify between company codes, if few company codes are assigned to 1 controlling area?
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Sridevi

Hi
Both are correct Cost Centres to manage internal no. range. One Controlling Area can manage morethan one company code.
Shammi
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Plan cost line items for cost centers report

Hello,
I am displaying the report: Plan cost line items for cost centers and when I display the details of a line item it appears a document number, where could I display this document?
I have tried to display it in FB03 transaction but it seems not to be this kind of document.
On the other hand in the field Business transaction it appears RKP6, what is the meaning of this field?
Thank you very much

Hi Beatriz Amezua ,
For displaying plan line items for cost center - KSBP and for display of individual plan document : KABP
RKP6 means "Planning Activity Dependent Costs"
Like in FI module, the business transaction have been codified and the list you can find in KANK transaction , mention your controlling area, menu -- Groups -- Display Groups
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Usage of Cost Centers, Profit Centers and Internal Orders

Hello everyone,
i have perhaps for some of you a simple question but it bothers me alot.
Imagine we are using Cost centers and Internal Orders. For them we create statistical key figures using transaction KB31N.
Now we are installing SAP BI and want to create a report which would be generated acording to cost centers but with statistical key figures.
The question would be how to make a connection between cost centers orders and those stat.key.figs?
In our case the economists say that we are using this kind of scenario:
Dist.chanel ->
Sender: Cost center, Cost element
Receiver: Int.Order
and Stat key fig.
This is the only place where we have a connection between thos objects. Is there other way how to connect them. perhaps using profit centers?
If somebody didnt understand it, maybe ill try to explain it a bit better
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Laurynas Prikockis

Hi Laurynas,
Pls try to understand the concept as explained hereunder...
Cost Element:
Primary Cost Element : Replication of GL to bring costs into CO module when they are posted in FI
                                   module
Secondary Cost Elements: Carriers of costs between two Cost Objects (when we want to transfer the
                                        cost from Cost Centers to Internal Orders, vice versa and more, we create
                                        Secondary Cost Elements to carry the costs and transfer them to the
                                        reciever objects from sender objects)
Cost Center: It is a Cost Object, maintained on long-term basis, where we can capture the costs (Ex:
                    Marketing Cost Center)
Internal Order: It is also a Cost Object, maintained on shor-term basis, where we can capture the costs
                     (Ex: Internal Order for Special Marketing Campaign). Ultimately, whatever the costs
                      posted to this Internal Order, will get settled to Marketing Cost Center.
Staitistical Key Figure: It is used as a basis for allocation of certain expenses (Simple example would
                                  be, Total rent paid for office is $100000 per month. This cost has to go to
                                  different Cost Centers like Finance and Accounts, Marketing, Purchase Dept
                                  etc on the basis of "Area Occupied". So, We will define "Area Occupied" as a
                                  Statistical Key Figure in our system.
                                 Now, when the Rent amount is posted in FI, it wil reach a Virtual Cost Center
                                 (An "Allocation Cost Center" with name "Rent" to be created under your
                                 Controlling Area) "Rent". From there, it has to reach the other Cost Centers (lie
                                 F&A etc as explained above) on the basis of Area Occupied (SKF Created
                                 for "area occupied")
For this, you need enter the Area Occupied values (Ex:Sq Ft) in KB31N and you need to create an Allocation Cycle (Distribution / Assessment) where in you will select "Area Occupied" (SKF) as your Receiver Tracing Factor.
I hope I am clear, don't hesitate to revert back for more explanation...
Srikanth Munnaluri
Edited by: Srikanth Munnaluri on Mar 3, 2009 7:26 PM

Is it possible multiple line items debit & single line item credit and different cost centers and different profit centers in fbcj

Hi all ,
I have a requirement to Post Cash Journal Document using FBCJ tcode.
Is it possible multiple line items debit & single line item credit and different cost centers and different profit centers
for exp:
pk   GL a/c   description       amount   cost center profit center
40 400101 telephone exp   500        1403            P 1000
40 400101 telephone exp    100       1404            P 2000
50 200100 cash in hand      600-
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    Please suggest me.ASAP.
Regards
   Naresh.

Hi,
This you can do it in two ways:
1. Make three header under top level....one Product A, 2nd Product B ( as Billing element) and third as Common expense ( only cost). Now 1st & 2 nd WBS, you have to have sales order linking with individual lint item, for third you will accumulate all the common expense till the period end then make a reposting of the same in desired proportion to both products WBS hierarchy
(This is if you want to have a track on the common expense as well.......like planning, budgeting & control)
After this reposting, run RA for individual billing element and hence you will all the complement detailing and control over Revenue and expense with respect to Product A and Product B individually.
2. If you don't want to maintain that kind of detailing the common expense and keep track of it through project, then have cost centers accordingly and make an assesment/ distribution with respect to expenses accumulated at those cost centers for the period to the respective WBS under each product. Then execute the period end processes for the project.
Or
You can try with have two more line items in the costing sheet as an overhead against common expenses with respect each product.
I hope this should help you.
Regards
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Scrap Sales GL , which type of cost centers need to assign in OKB9

Dear Seniors,
G L account : Scrap Sales:
For this GL a/c , cost element created with Cost element category u201C11u201D (Revenues).
Now in OKB9   i want to make assignments:
With each b.area and cost centers.
Now my doubt is :
In OKB9 which type of cost center I need to assign from the below.
1.Cost center should be with
Cost cntr category u201CFu201D (Production)
Or
2.Cost center category u201DVu201D (Sales)
and another doubts is , in Cost center -control tab: Actual revenues check box, should i select or not in any case.
Please clarify my doubt.
Thanks in Adv

Hi,
As scrap sales are revenue to the company, undernoted things to be noted here :
1. The cost element category is V - Sales and the control indicator actual revenues box to be unticked.
     The posting will be statistical for revenue elements.
2. The revenue recognition has to be equally done in VKOA for the account assignment of this account.
3. You can create a seperate order type for scrap sales and a sales pricing procedure in SD.
4. Check whether the scraps are defined to capture Tax Collected at Source, if so, you have to define
     condition types for them too.
5. If the material itself is defined as scrap material then in Material master the Profit Center would have
     been assigned and to capture the revenue assign the scrap sales revenue in VKOA.
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Sadashivan

In controlling secondary cost element cost is considerble for financial rep

in controlling secondary cost element cost is it considerble for financial reporting requirment. In controlling for pm orders based on planning in kp26 they are booking man hours activity price. when at time of confirm of the order planning converted to actual.
Client is giving activity price based on primary cost, when we plan the activity price It will double booking what we incured in primary cost. let me clarify for financial report requirment can we consider secondary cost or not

Hi,
Secondory cost is a re allocation of Primary cost. It should not be considered if you are considering primary cost. Secondary cost is used for analysis and should not be confused with Primary cost
Ex. Cost gets collected to cost centers, The activity is a carrier which carries cost to Process/ production order. So that doent mean that the cost is gernerated twice once you book the financial and second when you acutally allocate the cost.
In controlling we allocate the cost in a more meaningful way to get the required analysis which will support the decision.
So both the cost should not be considered
This may be useful
Regards
Shantanu

Customized report for cost centers by different cost centers

Hi All,
Customized report for cost centers by different cost centers:
I need to build a customised report with the following format:
Cost element columns | Cost center 1 | cost center 2 | cost center 3, etc -> dynamic cost center columns
CE 1 .............................. amount xxx | . amount xxx | .. amount xxx
CE 2 .............................. amount xxx | . amount xxx | .. amount xxx
CE 3 .............................. amount xxx | . amount xxx | .. amount xxx
CE 3 .............................. amount xxx | . amount xxx | .. amount xxx
User selection screen:
Controlling are:
Fiscal Year:
From period to period:
cost center group ... <range of CC group> or
cost center value ... <range of CC value>
Questions:
From the above selection screens, I need to pull out all the data stored in the table: COEP
But, the problem is that inside this table, there is no cost center or cost center group stored; and therefore the program should be smart enough to pull out all the documents from the table: COEP and then make sure that the document / list of documents that pull out should belongs to the cost center or cost center group, as well as date range.
KIndly advise how functional description/design should be built in order ABAPer can understand the requirement?
What should be the tables to refer in order meet the requirement.
Similar Standard SAP cost center report should be S_ALR_87013611 - Cost Centers: Actual/Plan/Variance, but this report read from many tables.

Hi,
Please find the logic below & try it at your system-
Here cost center group is not possible (also i not checked it so do it on your own simultaneously i am trying the same).
Use Table BSEG-> in bseg give the cost center-> with the help of cost center find the account number (field HKONT)-> take this GL account number & got to table COEP-> in this give the GL account number at field 'offsetting account' (field GKONT) & you will get the line item.
Try it & let me know if you have any question.
Thanks

Sales order value flow to internal order without cost elements.

Dear Sap Friends,
My client have a requirement, when sales people creating a sales order, sales value flow into internal order without a cost elements. normal case when SO, Deleivery, and billing data automatically can flow into CO-PA. Here i want to know how value can flow into I.O. without a cost elements please give me advise.
i created a statistical internal order and that internal order i assigned in sales order account assingment. but i know that there is no value going to flow this I.O. becasue there is no cost elements.(becasue client dont want to create a cost element for internal order)
There is any option when i crate a sales order values can go into internal order without cost elements or i can create a statistical Internal Order and assigned into CO-PA? if i can dothatt what is the steps. kindly explain to me. if some have can explain to me please leave contacts number or send me reply.
Regards
Paul

By standard configuration itr is not possible.
You ought to have user exit in place.
For DC A & B, where you need a redetermination of pricing component, take help of an ABAPer for user exit USEREXIT_XKOMV_FUELLEN (module pool SAPLV61A, program RV61AFZB).
So now, for DC C, you need to change the copying control in VTFL - item, where your pricing type ought to be D-Copy pricing elements unchanged.
Regards
JP
ASSUMPTION: I assume that your all DC uses the same Sales Doc type & Billing Doc type

How to control the cost center of different company canu2019t be used across

Hi Experts,
There are 3 compamy codes in our system,and the 3 company code in one control area.Each company uses itself cost cent. When I assign cost center to an organization or a position, the cost centers of other company code can be used. We hope that cost center in different company canu2019t be used across. Anybody could help me?
Best Regards,
QC

Hi,
we can use cost centre of company A to the employee of company b.
cost centre means expense will be distributed as per cost centre. it may be a situation where an employee of company a works some time in company B as adeputaion we can assign cost centre of company B still he belongs to company A.
generaly we assign cost centre to position through A011 relation. here you assign the cost centre of original company say A( as he belongs to company A). in IT 1018 you assign different cost centre say company B.cost will be booked to company b as 1018 will supercede a011 relation ship.

PO without Costing

Hi experts,
recently i have this problem,
We have 2 new members, one reponsible in production order and another responsible in
production line.
First member create production order without costing, release , save and then send p/o to production.
Second member use MB31 good recieve from that p/o without cost.
How can i prevent this type of problem? Can i change warning message to error message? If possible how and where i should config?
i will give point for useful answer for sure.
regards.

Dear,
From your question What I understood is you want the costing to be automatic during release of the production order so that before you GR, the cost is calculated.
if so,
Do the following,
in OPL8
for the given order type and plant
in controlling tab,
planned cost calculation = 2(detremin planned cost when saving if released.)
save it.
it will work,
if my understanding is wrong, pl come back

Split Incoming Invoice by Several Cost Centers

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- In PO only one Cost Center is indicated.
- The Goods Receipt is Non-Valuated.
- GR-based Invoice.
- It's necessary to distribute the total value of the PO by several Cost Centers without indicating these cost centers in PO.
Is it possible to indicate several Cost Centers in Invoice?
Best Regards

Hi,
Please check this link .May be useful to you.
http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_04/helpdata/EN/b4/e6f29888fb11d2b491006094192bbb/frameset.htm
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