Direction Mixer or Pan Knob on stereo tracks?

Hello to all you brilliant logic forumers,
I just wondered what people were using to pan stereo tracks in light of the pan knob acting like a "balance" knob. As soon as I found that out on this forum I immediately went back to all my songs with stereo tracks in it that I thought I was "panning" and used the Direction Mixer instead.....it was like a whole different mix in a totally different song!
Why would anybody want to use the pan knob to pan stereo tracks if it doesn't take the entire stereo field and pan it to the desired position? It just seems a little bizzare to me that you have to use a plug-in to properly pan a stereo track.
best regards,
M-DAY
G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.9) Logic 7.2.3

Hi DR9,
I have a Dierction-Mixer plugin question for you,
since you seem to use it quite a bit.
Where in the audio channel insert slots should i put
it? after all my plugins or as the first insert?
Say I have a mono track that has an EQ, a Stereo
autofilter plugin, followed by a compressor.
Where would be the most Logical (yes, I know) place
to put it?
On another track, say I have a mono track, but only
with all mono plugins. Then where would it make
better sense?
Thanks for any info...
I would love to know the answer to this question also. Forgot to include it in my original post. If I can add one more part to it: What's the benefit of using the Direction Mixer on a Mono track? Thanks to you all.
M-DAY

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This is a flaw from the first days of Logic.
There is a "helper" plug in called "direction ....." - I can't remember the full name. Anyway, it gives you more control over stereo tracks. You can narrow the width (left - right) and pan accordingly.
Hope this helps.
HL

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is it possible to Join Two Mono Tracks to Stereo
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I'm looking into panning (and even mixing in general) using an insert of Logic's Direction Mixer on every channel.
This follows my discovery that it was not otherwise possible to Send tracks to Busses, then set different panning positions for each of the Return signals.
(Eg, send multiple tracks to a common reverb, but pan the returns to the same position as the sends).
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Hmmm. Not particularly worrying but I'd like to know why.
In the meantime I'll have a look at what makes them unique to this situation and what's going on in the mixer
But any clues would be appreciated.
Fanks
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm not sure if that is 100% correct. Because I have 7 voices Out to individual channel strips and they do not have the Pan knob greyed-out and can be panned.
It could be that (from memory) Half the assignable voices are mono and the higher outs (e.g.. 12-24) are stereo. I'll RTFM but still perplexed.
I'll let you know how I get on.
Fanks, anyway. It's the thought that counts.

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this is a really dumn question since i used to do this all the time is Sonar.
i recorded some vocals and it only recorded in one channel. i could always hit the infinity button to make it mono so i can hear it on both speakers. however, isn't there some effect i can add to get sound on both channels and keep it the stereo track? i'm using the tascam us-122 as an interface and for some reason it only allows you to record on either the L or R. not both of them at the same time. any ideas?

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