"Drop wire" Damage claim from CMR

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We received a bill from CMR, company hired by Verizon for managing its property claims, for $307 for the damage to the fiber optic cable from regular normal lawn maintenance. Claim # {edited for privacy};date of damage/discovery 06/13/2015.
Technician from Verizon promptly put a new cable on a ground, without even mentioning of any possible charge from Verizon, as the original cable was buried barely 2”deep under the ground.
According NEC 830.47 underground broadband communication cable without safety conduit must be installed at least 18” deep and with conductive tape above. Also, check FOA standards, instructions and manuals, like Drop_Const_manual_CO_107145 (p26). In numerous published on this board cases the same story reappeared every time with a complaint on a bill from Verizon for damaged cable that was buried only 2-3”deep. If it was a systematic violation, why we, customers should be responsible for Verizon's own mistakes from the past 'gold rush' era of expansion?
Years ago, not only the cable was buried with the code violation on our property, our main septic line was cut through: basement and first floor were flooded with the sewage ..
Are there any improvements nowadays? New cable with conduit was installed, breaking through 4 underground irrigation lines…
And yes - this time we are expecting a refund for damage repair from subcontractor.
And should I mention that in all 3 fiber optic cable underground installations on our property we were never notified ahead of time when the work will be done.

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"Drop wire" Damage claim from CRM

:We received a bill from CMR, company hired by Verizon for managing its property claims, for $307 for the damage to the fiber optic cable from regular normal lawn maintenance. Claim # NJPR152343;date of damage/discovery 06/13/2015. Technician from Verizon promptly put a new cable on a ground, without even mentioning of any possible charge from Verizon, as the original cable was buried barely 2”deep under the ground. According NEC 830.47 underground broadband communication cable without safety conduit must be installed at least 18” deep and with conductive tape above. Also, check FOA standards, instructions and manuals, like Drop_Const_manual_CO_107145 (p26). In numerous published on this board cases the same story reappeared every time with a complaint on a bill from Verizon for damaged cable that was buried only 2-3”deep. If it was a systematic violation, why we, customers should be responsible for Verizon's own mistakes from the past 'gold rush' era of expansion? Years ago, not only the cable was buried with the code violation on our property, our main septic line was cut through: basement and first floor were flooded with the sewage ..Are there any improvements nowadays? New cable with conduit was installed, breaking through 4 underground irrigation lines… And yes - this time we are expecting a refund for damage repair from subcontractor. And should I mention that in all 3 fiber optic cable underground installations on our property we were never notified ahead of time when the work will be done.

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CMR Claim for Drop Wire damage

We received a bill from CMR $261.77 for the damage to the fiber optic cable from a French drain installation. Technician from Verizon put a new temporary cable above the ground and told me that in a couple of days someone will come by and install it underground. I was told this repair was going to be free of charge because any repair that is outside my home is Verizon's responsibility. I had marked my utility lines and did not went deeper than 10" for the French drain... the cables should been 18" or deeper according to code. I have checked this forum and found a lot of users have the same experience where the cable is not dug deep enough and got the issue resolved. So after the temporary cable was left for over a week over my driveway I kept calling to address the issue and they told me in a couple of days I was going to get a call of the technician that was going to install the cable correctly... it went over a week and during the weekend I saw the cable was not there anymore and there was a pattern where the cable was dug. I did not got a call and was not called to make an appointment so that I can be there... after this my service was not working correctly so I kept calling Verizon and another week went by until a technician was sent and had to change the fiber optic head on the outside box that was probably dirty from the installation. With this we finally resolved the issue after almost 3 weeks where I did not have any service and I was told I was getting a reimbursement for all the time I was left without it, but instead a received a bill..!

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Bill from CMR Claims department for drop wire

After calling Miss Uitility to mark all lines, was doing yardwork and lost Fios services. No lines were visably cut since we knew were they were marked. The lines are not buried very deep. Just below the surface.
Received a bill in the mail from CMR Claims Department for $380.79 for dropping a new line. Nothing was ever mentioed by verizon about the charges and we were not given any kind of itemized bill from the technician. How do I go about getting this resolved.

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Bill from Verizon c/o CMR claims Dept for new drop wire

Like a number of others on this forum, I received an unexpected bill from Verizon for running a new drop wire. $370.83 in my case. Same story here. The initial install was done poorly and the cable was discovered after using a sod-cutter and a rake. No digging was needed so there was no reason to call to have the cable located ahead of time. The crew that came to bury the new cable told us it hadn't been buried deep enough but they would do it right this time and it appears they did do it right, for the most part. I don't care for the way they ran the cable up the side of the house right next to a hose faucet so it interferes with attaching a hose or an insulated cover. The bigger issue is, they punctured one of my irrigation lines at the point where they route the cable under a sidewalk to connect to the box. I discovered this the same day I received this bill so now I'm not about to fix it myself. I don't know if it's necessary to vent on this forum in order to get my case escalated to a support agent but I need Verizon to contact me about making this bill go away and arrange for the repair of my irrigation system.

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Billing Statement from CMR Claims Department for Drop Wire

I received a bill for a drop wire charge for a neighbor's address. I think I received this bill in error. I have seen many situations like this on other support threads. I would like a resolution to this problem.

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Bill from CMR for new drop wire

Hello,
I recently received a bill in the mail from CMR claims for nearly $300 for a new drop line. I called 811 and had all lines marked prior to digging a posthole, however the fios line was not marked and unfortunately the line was cut about 8 inches into the soil. The technician initially came out and ran a temporary line to the house and said he didn't know why the line wasn't marked. They eventually came out a few days later and installed a proper line in the orange conduit. I called 1 800 verizon about the bill and to inform them that I called 811 and they have a record of that on file, however verizon had no idea what bill I was talking about and told me to disregard the bill and throw it away as it might be a scam. The billing department at Verizon noted that on my file. I called CMR and they told me I have to pay and their records don't say anything about 811 being called and if I don't pay that they will file a civil suit against me! Why on God's green earth would verizon use a third party like this? Is this bill legitimate or is it a scam? Please provide guidance on how to proceed. Thank you.

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Bill from CMR Claims in Oklahoma City, OK

We have a case just like one in another thread where I nicked our Vierizon Fios line because it was only buried two inches deep in an unexpected place across the middle of our back yard. When I called Verizon Service about it they assured me that there was no fee for the repair. Verizon came out and repaired it on May 8th and now over two months later I got a bill from CMR Claims for $168. If we had known they would charge us that we wouldn't have bothered having it repaired and would have just switched internet providers.
No one at Verizon even knows about this bill and cannot help me, I was transferred all over the place. Gene at CMR Claims says there is no requirement for phone cables to be buried, they could just lay on top of the ground. If they had laid it on top of the grould I would have at least seen it! Who is this company and are they even affiliated with Verizon? Can anyone put me in touch with someone at Verizon who can help get this resolved?
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I have read several forum posts where people appear to have the same issue that I do.
I received a bill from CMR Claims Department in Oklahoma City for $240.94 for a "DROP WIRE". I was billed for "VERIZON COST TO REPAIR" with no detail, no hours of work and no explanation of the bill.
The Verizon Tech who decided to replace my wire NEVER said anything about any possible charges. He just said that it would be best to replace the fault wire to ensure I could get coninues service.
QUESTION:
1) Why did not the Tech informathat the repair would come with a cost.
2) How can I be billed afterwards for work that I have not authorized or approved?
3) Why do I receive a bill directly from Verizon's 3rd party vendor, CMT. I am a FIOS subscriber and expect to deal directly with Verizon - not your vendors...
I tried Technical Support, who sent me to the Billing Department, who said they would investigate and that where we are now.
Someone please help,
>TM

Bill from CMR

I received a bill from CMR claims for a repair. I got a bil for $673.37 (I wonder how they come up with numbers like this!). I contractor hit the wire. Prior to the job Miss Utilities marked everything. Two techs that came by (got their names) and saw the marks said that since Miss Utilities had marked everything, I will NOT be responsible for the repair. Nevertheless I got hit with this bill. If I had been told I could be billed when the techs came to my house or I called for service, I would have investigated who was responsible for the damage, i.e., had Miss Utilities marked the wire correctly? Was the wire at the correct depth? According with NEC (National Electric Code) 830.47 underground broadband communication cable without safety conduit must be installed at least 18” deep and with conductive tape above. I can tell that when they buried the wire, both this time and the orginal wire that was hit, they were not buried 18” deep, probably less than 8”. I was present when both wires were buried. Then I called Verizon, CMR is just a billing company, and NOONE can find any record whatsoever. I was transfered to several department and no records. Anyone has had a better luck?? Please help! It seems search for this it is a common issue with Verizon. If at the end I pay, I will cancel my service n the spot paying the cancellation. There are so many options these days for this type of services and Verizon doesn't seem to care even after many years as a customer.

Your issue has been escalated to a Verizon agent. Before the agent can begin assisting you, they will need to collect further information from you.
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Drop wire replaced, but old one never removed. No...

Over a year a go a faulty voice line resulated in the drop wire from the pole to our house being replaced. Actually they rigged a new drop wire but left the old one in place. The engineer claimed that there was an obstalce in our front garden which prevented her from placing a ladder to reach the old one. This "obstacle" was simply a small bush near our fornt door.
Some months later I got the master socket moved and asked the engineer about removing the old drop wire but nothing happened.
Now I can see it is clearly fraying close to the house end, and looks ready to snap. This drop wire must be over 30 years old.
What should I do? I certainly don't want to be charged for anything.

You will only be charged for faults proved inside your house, unless you actually damage any of Openreach`s external wiring.
If the old drop wire goes across a road, or could cause injury if it came down, then you can report the problem to Openreach on this website
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/contactus/tellussomething/tellussomethingaboutournetwork/tellab...
There are some useful help pages here, for BT Broadband customers only, on my personal website.
BT Broadband customers - help with broadband, WiFi, networking, e-mail and phones.

Bill received from CMR (demand for payment)

I received a bill from CMR Claims department for $345.96 in reference to property damage -- aparently a line of some sort. I have no clue what they are talking about. I contacted Verizon support and I got transferred many times and eventually was told they have no idea about this bill and could not help. I was told to contact the number on the bill. The CMR claims department are not helpful or responsive. They kept insisting that I make a payment or they would 'escalate the claim' and that if I wanted to avoid further action I should pay the bill. I kept asking for a manager and insisting to speak to someone else, such as a supervisor, but was met with the same script "pay the bill" or 'can you pay $300.00 at least'? I will be filing a complaint with CFPB and BBB about their attempts to collect on a debt I don't owe, making false statements, and making threats to take legal action. The Verizon customer support said the charges are from a maintenance/repair department (third party) and does not show up on my account. I have not ordered any type of repairs at all. This is very frustrating. I need to contact someone at Verizon that can escalate and resolve this issue. It is impossible to contact anyone that actually knows how to handle this issue. Any suggestions or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Invoice from CMR

I received an invoice from CMR for drop wire repair. I do not believe that I owe any amout for this repair.. I believe the wire was improperly installed, plus I was told by the service technician that there would be no charge. I would like to be contacted by a Verizon agent to resolve this issue.

Sorry you are having difficulty, an agent with access to your account will reach out to you directly by email, private message in the Forums and/or the billing telephone number on your Verizon account for more information to help you resolve your issue.Please remember to check your spam/junk folder if you do not hear from an agent.

HT3275 TIME MACHINE GONE... EARLIER, OTHER OS APPS NOT THERE, DAMAGED MAC from what??

MAC: OS 10.5.8, LEOPARD, Purchased in November, 2008. One year later, MAJOR ISSUE OCCURRED! SEE FOLLOWING DETAILED DESCRIPTION.
MAJOR QUESTIONS ARE AT THE BOTTOM! (Included volumes of information, as without it, I don't think anyone could even begin to help me. APPLE COULDN'T AFTER ~2 YEARS!)
"Damaged" Mac, (from what?) OS Apps gone, NOW Time Machine GONE, can't save info fr Mac to Re-Load OS. TRIED the page on how to repair/fix to no avail. I bought my Mac in November of 2008 & paid for Apple Care for 3 years & paid for 1 year of classes. About 1 year after purchase, & nearly one year of classes, I had NOT been told to trash my downloads, but had been told that I would NEVER lose anything, to not be afraid to try things. However, after checking at least 6 times to make sure that the things that I had SAVED, did not go away when "trashed" from downloads, I set my Mac to send all downloads to trash, believing, based on my testing & what I had been told by APPLE, that IF pics, pages, documents, folders, albums, etc had been SAVED, that when sending the same downloads to trash, I would NOT lose any of them. And that they would remain in folders & albums & such.
I walked away from my Mac as I had many downloads, but had happened to leave my iPhoto open & when I passed by I saw that nearly ALL my pics were being DELETED TO TRASH!!! It was the middle of the night, so there was no one to help me. The only option that I had was to BRING BACK ALL 8,000+ FILES TO MY DESKTOP, WHICH of course, STOPPED MY MAC from FUNCTIONING.
I called Apple Care when the next day & they set me up for an hour appointment with the "GENIUSES", who only take 15 minute appointments.. The "GENIUS" was rude... Said, “I have already spent 10 minutes on you!” "What do you want me to do?" I said, "I want all my folders, pics, documents back... AND I want to know what happened?? As I checked 6X to make sure this would NOT happen."
He took my Mac to the back & PUT ALL THE FILES IN ONE FOLDER, AS IF THAT WOULD HELP ME. NO ONE HAD ANY IDEA AS TO WHAT I COULD DO or WHAT HAD HAPPENED, BUT TO DEAL WITH EACH FILE INDIVIDUALLY & PUT IN FOLDERS OR ALBUMS OR WHATEVER. (And YES, I AM YELLING... not at you people, but at APPLE & THE **** I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PAST NEARLY 3 YEARS!)
They "didn't know" & said that "you must have done something wrong"... "WHAT"???, I asked repeatedly & got the same answer, "I don't know, you must have done something wrong" THEY ARE THE GENIUSES! SURELY ONE OF THEM COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WRONG??? I was toward the end of my classes & was desperately seeking help for this "mess", instead of learning more about Macs... & that was a total waste of time. I NO LONGER HAD FOLDERS, ALBUMS OR ANYTHING BUT >8,000+ SINGLE FILES TO DEAL WITH MYSELF!!
I spent months & many hours over the next 2 years talking with Apple Care on the phone to NO AVAIL. I would get the "newbies", even when I asked for the "supervisors" or the "specialists" because they were inundated with calls & would transfer to agents who knew only the very basics & after 45-60 minutes, they would tell me that I needed to talk with a "specialist". DUH!!
Toward the latter months, they finally decided that I needed to talk with several "SPECIALISTS" for whom I would have to call & then they would call me back. For a while, they were good about that, not that anything was resolved, then all of a sudden, NO CALLS BACK FROM TWO OF THEM... nothing more was being done for me even though I was still under APPLE CARE!
NO ONE ELSE FROM APPLE could ever tell me just what might have happened, UNTIL MAYBE TOWARD THE END OF MY COVERAGE, BUT THEN they were NOT SURE & the damage had been done for nearly 2 years & I was within 2 months of the end of my contract when I had to have bilateral eye surgery, so I was no longer able to SEE to even deal with Apple Care.
A few weeks back, I thought I would try MacKeeper for a trial... & after getting the "free scan & PARTIAL fix", I "online chatted" with an agent & found that if you ask, you can get a 14 day "Free Trial" that actually clears up everything! So, I went for that. (You have to ask for it, btw!!)
It 'appeared' that MacKeeper was scanning & fixing. I had asked how often one should do this... every 2 -3 weeks... well, that would have meant that my 14 days would have been a moot point, so I tried it on a daily basis for 3 days & it always had "issues" & said it fixed them, but somewhere I found that IT HAD DONE NOTHING!!!
So, I "online chatted" again with a very "knowledgeable guy" who asked if he could take over remotely to check my system to see why MacKeeper was NOT working for me. (I still don't know why it 'appeared' to be working?? And could never get an answer to that one.) Anyway, he took over remotely & "whizzed" through all sorts of stuff & then told me that my MAC WAS DAMAGED!! I asked "as in what?" As in, Launch Agents were missing, for example. I had told the 'Geniuses' when I had my "issue" in December of 2009, that it looked like some of Garage Band, (which I had never used) had disappeared & that it seemed that some of the OS had been deleted along with my files, but they ignored that!
IT TOOK SOMEONE FROM MACKEEPER TO FIND THAT OS APPS WERE MISSING AFTER DEALING WITH APPLE GENIUSES & SPECIALISTS FOR ~2 YEARS WHO HAD NOT A CLUE AS TO WHAT WAS WRONG OR HOW TO FIX IT!!! .......... (WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE????)
Apple-->NO HELP >2.5 yrs...... >3 years paying Apple-->natta. MacKeeper found missing OS Apps in ONE REMOTE VISIT!!!.
THE MACKEEPER GUY SAID THAT I NEEDED TO RE-INSTALL MY OS! To call APPLE... When I told him how I had paid for help & the hours & months of phone calls & frustration with my MAC, he gave me their site to help me to Re-install my OS, but this was a ONE time deal via the internet with only the "trial version". I am past the date... but justifiably so. I, again, "online chatted" with THREE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME, who didn't want to help me & who left me hanging for 30 minutes & never came back... grrrrrrrr.
BUT I CANNOT RE-INSTALL MY OS w/out backup with TIME MACHINE, WHICH IS NOT WORKING NOW,......NOT ON MY MAC ANY LONGER!!! [Why??? I have NO idea!!!]
I know that I need to be sure that ALL THAT IS ON MY MAC IS DOWNLOADED TO AN EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE TO SAVE, AS WHEN I RE-INSTALL MY OS, IT WILL CLEAR MY MAC & I WILL START ALL OVER AS I DID WHEN I FIRST GOT THE MAC, SO, I HAD BEEN BACKING UP WITH MY TIME MACHINE.... (OR SO I THOUGHT???), BUT DISCOVERED YESTERDAY, THAT MY TIME MACHINE WAS NO LONGER FUNCTIONING... ONLY "READING?" & NEEDED TO BE RE-DOWNLOADED, as well, which means that what I have on my external HD, (Western Digital MYBOOK) will still be there, but that the RE-INSTALLED TIME MACHINE WILL DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING AGAIN, NOT JUST FROM THE LAST TIME IT WORKED.
I called Western Digital tonight to SEE IF my MYBOOK(s) were working properly. He said that they should come up on my desktop, but they rarely ever have, but for a few moments last night & once tonight. I went to the site that tells one how to "fix" TIME MACHINE PROBLEMS, but had already been there & nothing there worked.
He suggested that I go on an APPLE SUPPORT COMMUNITY FOR YOUR HELP & so I am.
SO, HERE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS/PROBLEMS/ISSUES:
     *HOW DO I FIND OUT JUST WHAT OS FUNCTIONS ARE MISSING?
     *WHAT CAN I DO TO GET THEM BACK BESIDES RE-INSTALLING MY OS WITH MY DISKS?
     *IF I AM UNABLE TO BACK UP WHAT IS ON MY MAC ONTO MY EXTERNAL HD, THEN WHAT CAN I DO? I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE ANY OF MY PICS, DOCUMENTS, CREATIVE WRITING, IMPORTANT INFO?
    *I AM ON DISABILITY & HAVE NO MONEY TO HIRE A MAC SPECIALIST... (& AFTER MY DEALINGS WITH APPLE'S SPECIALISTS, I AM NOT VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT ANYWAY!) Besides, my MAC is ~4 years old, the clicker on the mouse pad has not worked in ages, it has not enough memory...
     *HOW CAN I TELL WHAT IS "SAVED" ON MY EXTERNAL HD (MYBOOK), IF WE CANNOT ACCESS IT? (I CAN HEAR IT RUN & FEEL IT RUN, BUT AFTER TRYING TO "CLEAR" IT, IT IS THE TIME MACHINE ISSUE THAT IT KEEPS SAYING IS THE PROBLEM.
   (I AM BETTING THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE OS FUNCTIONS THAT ARE MISSING, AS I HAVE BEEN CURSING THIS MAC ALMOST SINCE I GOT IT.)
     AFTER I AM "ONLINE" FOR A WHILE, THE "SPINNING BALL OF DEATH" GOES ON & ON & SAFARI MAY JUST CLOSE DOWN... & IT IS NOT JUST SAFARI, THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE ONE THAT I USE THE MOST!
NOTE: *RECENTLY HAVING PROBLEMS SUCH THAT OFTEN WHEN I HIT /.... IT GOES TO SOME OTHER PART OF THE PAGE or deletes the whole thing!
           *ALSO, I OFTEN LOOK UP & WHAT I HAVE TYPED HAS TOTALLY DISAPPEARED AS JUST HAPPENED HERE... OMG
           *MAY FIND A FEW WORDS IN ANOTHER PARAGRAPH!.... (WHAT IS GOING ON??)
[PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY WITH ME FOR ALL THE CAPS, AS IT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THE SERIOUS STUFF & AS I OFTEN SAY IN FACEBOOK, "YES, I AM YELLING", but it is at APPLE & my Frustration over the past 3 years!]
Thank any & all of you for any help that you can give. Please be VERY SPECIFIC, as I don't "cookbook" so well.
ONE MORE THING:
CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF ANY OF THESE ISSUES COULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY A LIGHTENING STRIKE, WHICH FRIED ALL OF MY TV & INTERNET COMPONENTS?? (If so, my insurance will buy me a new Mac, which would be awesome!)... May need to post this as another question, but am “fried” right now & thought I would just add this. [Most say that because these are “software issues” that ‘NO’, lightening could not have been the culprit or even part of all that is additionally going on, that it would have to be a “hardware issue”. If any of you REALLY SAVVY MAC FOLKS CAN TELL ME DIFFERENTLY & HOW TO PROVE IT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! As you can see, I desperately need a new Mac.
PEACE!

Oh, My! I am so confused & scared. Haven't acted on this or anything else in my life. I am nearly paralyzed with all the issues going on in my life. If ONLY I could GET MY MAC BACK TO PROPER FUNCTIONING. I had issues before the MacKeeper, & lightening strike in March which "fried" all of my components, except this "bloody" Mac, but the problems keep piling on.
Help me, please, someone. I know that you are trying, BDAqua, but I just don't understand?
Yes, that is the window.. says do not open use MacKeeper Downloader, but then shows the "UNINSTALLING MACKEEPER" WEBSITE, which IS MacKeeper's... I don't even know how to do the "Quote Previous Message" for philastokes site, only YOURS & that is NOT what I need.
What is SW???? Calls for Driver 9 For Time Machine, but I think that is related to Time Capsule, which I don't have.
NOTE: SOMEWHERE HERE I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT "LAUNCH AGENTS"... THAT IS ONE OF THE OS PARTS THAT IS MISSING PER MacKeeper... & who knows how many others? Clearly, something has happened to my TIME MACHINE & MY EXTERNAL HD, (MyBook). MacKeeper said that my system was damaged, e.g. "LAUNCH AGENTS" & THAT I NEEDED TO RE-INSTALL MY OPERATING SYSTEM, but without having a FUNCTIONAL BACK UP, I WILL LOSE EVERYTHING.
WESTERN DIGITAL, [MyBook External HD which I used for Time Machine Back up Storage] COULD NOT HELP ME UNTIL I GOT MY "DAMAGES" FIXED & of course MACKEEPER SAID TO CONTACT APPLE OR THEIR "GEEK ON DEMAND" VIA EMAIL, which I have not!
ALL ATTEMPTS AT "FIRST AIDS" FAILED OR WERE NOT AVAILABLE!
What you, BDAqua sent me, I did, but no change... Your "procedure", not the websites.
It is hard to tell from the Philastokes writing what is to BE used & what NOT to use???
Under:
SEP 21
Posted by philastokes
MacKeeper – also known as 911 Bundle‘ in the App store — yes, you’ve seen the ads all over the internet, pop ups on your favourite webpages, it seems to be everywhere.
Many people that download and use MacKeeper experience severe problems as a result. My advice regarding this program is:
***DO NOT USE IT!***
It is extremely dangerous, particularly its Fast CleanUp option. If you are in any doubt, have a read through some of the several hundred comments below this post. If you have already installed MacKeeper and wish to remove it, read on.
IS THIS THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO USE??? ONLY SHOWING US WHAT NOT TO USE???
Then he states this:
Uninstalling MacKeeper 2012
If you have used MacKeeper to encrypt any data, unencrypt it now. If you remove MacKeeper without unencrypting your data first, you will not be able to access it later. This only applies to data encrypted with MacKeeper, and not data encrypted using Mac OS built-in encryption services or using any other program.
Once that is done, you can follow MacKeeper’s uninstall instructions here:
http://help.mackeeper.zeobit.com/Manual/GettingStarted/UninstallingMacKeeper.htm l
These instructions promise that they will remove all MacKeeper’s associated files (see the note ‘Important’ at the bottom of their page). However, you may wish to do Step 4 in the procedure below for earlier versions of MacKeeper to check MacKeeper does not have access to your Keychain.
IS ABOVE WHAT NOT TO USE???_________________
Mine is NOT an earlier version of MacKeeper. I installed in 2012, so it is not clear... but I am guessing that that is what he meant?? Then I read on, & am not sure about a lot of things.
I have NO IDEA whether I have encrypted anything via MacKeeper. I don't even know what encrypting is or whether MacKeeper DID THAT WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE??
Uninstalling earlier versions of MacKeeper
If you have a version of MacKeeper earlier than MacKeeper 2012 you should follow the procedure below. You may not find ALL of the following, but any you do find should be removed.
Preparation:
i. Again, a warning: if you have used MacKeeper’s encryption feature, be sure to unencrypt before you uninstall MacKeeper.
Time Machine
ii. If you use Time Machine, leave it connected and do the Time Machine Step (TM step) where indicated. Instructions for the TM step are given in the box in step 1 below.
Clones
iii. If you use a clone without archiving, disconnect the clone and run the procedure below on your internal disk. When it is complete and you have verified everything is OK, connect your clone and wipe the partition using Disk Utility. Then make a new clone.
iv. If you use a clone with archiving, reboot into your clone now and run the procedure below on the clone first. Then shutdown you computer, disconnect the clone from the system and reboot into your internal drive. Run the entire procedure again on your internal drive.
v. If you have anything in the Trash, empty it now before you start.
My Time Machine says "IT IS NOT CONFIGURED", "BROWSE OTHER TIME MACHINE DISKS... (There are none there, only empty window.) & "OPEN TIME MACHINE PREFERENCES". WHEN I TURN IT ON, A BLANK WINDOW OPENS UP WITH ONLY ONE OPTION, "TURN YOUR TIME CAPSULE ON".
I DON'T HAVE THE TIME MACHINE CAPSULE!So, what do I do here?___________
I DO have TIME MACHINE IN THE UPPER BAR & THE ICON IN MY DOCK.
I don't know what a "clone" is... sort of, (thought it was an "alias/copy", but am probably wrong?? I have no idea whether it is being used or not?? There may be tons of clones on my Mac, or are they "aliases" from the original issue ~3 years ago. NONE that I intentionally put in!
How do I know if I am "archiving" and/or how do I disconnect the clone... "to run the procedure below" on my internal disk?
Then How Do I Connect My Clone, (when I don't even know what it is?) and wipe WHAT PARTITION? (I don't have access to my Time Machine or my EXTERNAL HD, (MyBook) where the Time Machine HAD been backing up my Mac. My MyBook won't even show up on my desktop.
WHAT IS THE CLONE? .... "IF I USE A CLONE WITHOUT ARCHIVING" VS. "IF I USE A CLONE WITH ARCHIVING".... I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS MEANS???
I HAVE STUFF IN TRASH, BUT AM AFRAID TO DELETE IT... SO DO I BRING IT ALL BACK TO MY MAC? I have so many things brought back from trash.
The Uninstall Procedure:
Once you have prepared everything as above, you’re ready to start the uninstall procedure.
1. If MacKeeper is running, quit it. From the sidebar in any Finder window, choose your hard disk icon and go to your Library folder. Look in the Application Support folder for the folder inside it called ‘MacKeeper’:
/Library/Application Support/MacKeeper
Click on the folder once.
TM Step
If you are using Time Machine do the TM Step now.
Enter Time Machine via the TM icon on your menubar at the top of your screen.
Click the little gear/cog in the Finder window and choose ‘delete all backups of xxx file’.
Enter your Admin password to confirm the delete. Exit Time Machine and then…
If you don’t use TM or after you have completed the TM step, hold down the ‘command’ key and press the ‘delete’ key once to send the file to the trash.
HELP!!------>
I DO USE TIME MACHINE, BUT IT IS NOT WORKING NOW NOR IS THE EXTERNAL HDI CAN'T ENTER TIME MACHINE!
And in Finder, what is the "gear/cog"?? And what are the xxx files? Are they all MacKeeper files???
Why would one complete the TM step IF one doesn't USE TM or have access to it.
*****How do I get my TM back???? _____________
2. Still in Library, look for and trash any of these you find in the same way, remembering if you have Time Machine to do the TM step first in each case:
/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.AntiVirus
/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.plugin.AntiTheft.daemon
3. If you are using Lion, use the ‘Go’ menu in Finder’s menubar and hold down the ‘option’ key. Choose ‘Library’ from the menu (yes, this is a different Library folder from the one you were just in). If you are using Snow Leopard or Leopard, just click on the little ‘Home‘ icon in the Finder sidebar and navigate to the Library. Then trash any and all of these that you find, remembering to do the TM step (if applicable) first in each case:
Home/Library/Caches/com.zeobit.MacKeeper
Home/Library/Caches/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.Helper
Home/Library/LaunchAgents/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.Helper
Home/Library/LaunchAgents/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.plugin.Backup.agent
Home/Library/Preferences/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.plist
Home/Library/Preferences/com.zeobit.MacKeeper.Helper.plist
Be careful not to delete the wrong files: only those that have got the words ‘zeobit’, ‘MacKeeper’, ’911′ or ’911bundle’ should be trashed.
Since MY TM is not functioning properly, what do I do? I am so lost?
4. Go to Applications > Utilities > Keychain Access.app and double click on it. Notice the padlock in the window is up there on the left, rather than down the bottom. Click on it and enter your admin password. Now go through all the items in the ‘Keychains‘ list (such as Login, System, Root) with ‘All items’ selected in the ‘Category’ list. Anything you find related to ‘MacKeeper’ or ‘zeobit’, click on it, then choose Edit > Delete from the menu.
(Thanks to Al for also mentioning this point in the Comments below! ).
5. Open the Activity Monitor utility (Applications>Utilities>Activity Monitor.app), make sure ‘All Processes’ is showing in the drop down menu just over on the right of the dialogue box, then scroll down the list and see if any processes called ‘MacKeeper’, ‘zeobit’ or ’911 bundle’ are still running. Older versions of MacKeeper may have a ‘WINE’ process running, so also look for ‘wine’. Anything you find, click on it and hit ‘Quit Process’ (top left).
6. Go to your Applications folder from a Finder window and select MacKeeper (if you have Time Machine, do the TM step now). Then, hold down ‘command’ and press ‘delete’ once. If you assigned MacKeeper to be pinned in the Dock, be sure to also drag the icon off the Dock and release it anywhere over the desktop. It will, satisfyingly, disappear in the ‘poof’ of a cloud.
Time Machine issue for me again!!
7. When you’re done filling up your trash can with all this junk, click on the Finder> Empty Trash.
8. Go to
 > System Preferences > Users & Groups (or ‘Accounts’ for Snow L) | Login Items
If you see anything to do with MacKeeper in the list of items there, highlight it, then click the little minus ‘-’ button near the bottom of the list.
9. Restart your Mac. Everything should be back to normal, but check the Activity Monitor one last time to be sure.
10. After restart, be sure to fix your system permissions. If you encounter any problems that you did not have before, fix the ACLs too.
**If you are running a clone, remember to follow the instructions given above under “Preparation: Clones”.**
Supplementary: If you have a problem with MacKeeper pop-ups while using your browser, try clearing out the caches, like this:
In Safari menubar, choose ‘Safari > Reset Safari’. Make sure all the options are checked.
This will not only clear out your caches, but everything else stored by the browser. Don’t worry, it won’t affect your bookmarks, but it will reset your ‘top sites’ and history.
In Firefox menubar, choose ‘Tools > Clear Recent History…’ and choose ‘Everything’. Again, it’ll clear everything out but won’t delete your bookmarks.
Obviously, if you use any other browsers like Opera or something you’ll have to find the same options for those too.
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NOTES
1. If you have any problems carrying out the steps, try starting your Mac up in Safe mode, and then running the procedure.
2. You can safely ignore any MacKeeper files that are in the Logs, BOM or Receipts folders.
3. If you have only downloaded the MacKeeper package but not ran the installer, you only need to send the .pkg file in your Downloads folder to the Trash. That’s it!
Acknowledgements
This post has been refined and improved over time thanks to suggestions and replies made in the Comments and on Apple Support Communities. Thanks especially to Al, Lyndon and Jack.
BDAqua, Is there any way for me to directly contact PhilStokes directly to have him read all that we have shared here, since he is the writer & obviously has had the experience & could possibly "Walk me through this" & answer some of my questions & asuage my fears??
Anything that YOU can do to continue to help is also greatly appreciated. I am doing nothing until I know what to do, with all the other issues that are going on, I just don't know what to do?? It is NOT simple as you can see!
BDAqua wrote:
As for the site that you gave me to Un-Install... are you sure? As that is MacKeeper/Zeobits' site! Andyou & everyone else said NOT to use their Un-Install???
OH Oh, if true something is redirecting your request, & guess what I think is doing it, or are you clicking on the zeobit kink on that page???
You should be seeing this...
Wonder why no one else is responding to my questions???
Feel free to start a new question, perhaps that'll work!?
Find that I am missing the "driver" for my external HD, & since it is so old, I can't find how to do it online.
You shouldn't need any SW to use the drive!???
BDAqua wrote:
As for the site that you gave me to Un-Install... are you sure? As that is MacKeeper/Zeobits' site! Andyou & everyone else said NOT to use their Un-Install???
OH Oh, if true something is redirecting your request, & guess what I think is doing it, or are you clicking on the zeobit kink on that page???
You should be seeing this...
Wonder why no one else is responding to my questions???
Feel free to start a new question, perhaps that'll work!?
Find that I am missing the "driver" for my external HD, & since it is so old, I can't find how to do it online.
You shouldn't need any SW to use the drive!???
BDAqua wrote:
As for the site that you gave me to Un-Install... are you sure? As that is MacKeeper/Zeobits' site! Andyou & everyone else said NOT to use their Un-Install???
OH Oh, if true something is redirecting your request, & guess what I think is doing it, or are you clicking on the zeobit kink on that page???
You should be seeing this...
Wonder why no one else is responding to my questions???
Feel free to start a new question, perhaps that'll work!?
Find that I am missing the "driver" for my external HD, & since it is so old, I can't find how to do it online.
You shouldn't need any SW to use the drive!???
BDAqua wrote:
As for the site that you gave me to Un-Install... are you sure? As that is MacKeeper/Zeobits' site! Andyou & everyone else said NOT to use their Un-Install???
OH Oh, if true something is redirecting your request, & guess what I think is doing it, or are you clicking on the zeobit kink on that page???
You should be seeing this...
Wonder why no one else is responding to my questions???
Feel free to start a new question, perhaps that'll work!?
Find that I am missing the "driver" for my external HD, & since it is so old, I can't find how to do it online.
You shouldn't need any SW to use the drive!???

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