Frame Rate Convertor results in choppy footage

I have some 60fps footage shot on the HVX200 at 720p/24pN that I wanted to use in slow mo, buuuut, after importing it into FCP 5.1.4 using the DVCProHD 720p/24 easy setup (without removing the advanced pulldown and duplicate frames) I get very choppy footage aftern running the FRC. I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. Someone please help!!!!!!
Thanks
K

OK, just did something to make me feel like a complete idiot. I decided to follow my own advice and RTFM for the Cam. It seems that on the HVX 200 you have to make sure that two settings are correct for VFM recording. First, set cam to 720/24pN or 30pN and THEN, goto the Scene File and set the Frame Rate there to whatever you desire.
I had skipped this last step and just the recording format to 720/60p. That will not work and now I know this.
I can't wait to test this the correct way and see what I get.
Thanks for all the help.
K

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My timeline is ALSO 720p24 with most of my footage at 23.98. I have footage shot 60p that I can either cut in and render so that it matches the 24p look, OR I can use the DVCPRO HD frame rate converter and slow it down 2.5 times to make excellent slow motion.
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I am working with AVCHD footage with a frame rate of 25.
If it drop my footage into a new compostion after affects sets everything
up automatically.
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I shot with HVX200 using the Firestore that converted footage to 59.94. Then, mid-project I shot with the P2 which shot at 24. I now have 2 diff. frame rates
I tested some clips in Compressor comverting the 24 to 59.94.
Using FCP Studio 2 , I was unable to reconnect the media without the in/out points being off with varying degrees. Doing an entire re-edit will be painful.
QUESTION : Do I really have to convert the 24 to 59.94? Would it significantly affect output?
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[elizabeth charles] "My question is, is there anyway to change the files in my timeline to the conformed files without having to begin my editing again?"
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Used 2 differnt cameras on a shoot, one a new one which I was testing, Panasonic GH2.
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SO I screwed up the setting SOMEHOW and now have footage 1080 59.94 and 720 29.9...very irritating as all the footage looks gorgeous quality.
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My original footage is AVCHD 1080p - 60fps. (my camera only does 60fps...specifically 59.94fps) We're not talking interlaced video here, I'm staying away from that. This is definitely full frame, progressive video at 60 frames (not fields) per second. My output will ultimately be for the web. I have been keeping my output codec (H.264) and bit-rate (VBR 2-pass, relatively high-bitrate) consistent, and have been trying numerous output options and even sequence settings to see what would yield the best results. I am using Premiere Pro CS5.5 along with Media Encoder. Here's what I've done and the results I've observed:
1. I created a sequence with 1080p - 59.94fps settings to match my original footage. I then output both 1080p and 720p versions at 59.94fps, and at 29.97fps. The 59.94fps output files looked absolutely great, as would be expected. Extremely smooth. The 29.97fps output files were generally smooth, but not near as smooth as the 59.94fps. This is expected since it's half the frame rate as my original footage. However, my question is this: What exactly is Media Encoder doing when "down converting" from 60p to 30p? From a technical stand point, is it dropping every other frame? I'm just curious to understand exactly what it does. I tried the Frame Blending option as well, and that only yielded a bit more blur to the images which wasn't desirable for any of the output files.
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Those are all my questions. I hope I am clear enough without being overly wordy and hopefully I didn't put too many questions into one post. Thanks in advance for any insight, I really appreciate it.

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Frame Rate Convertor results in choppy footage

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