Midi instr. stereo panning

When recording chords, sometimes, the panning jumps all the way to the left, and will go there in playback as well, at the same spot. Even when I copy the track to another instrument. when I open the track and look at Volume and panning, etc. it's not showing up as recorded and it's driving me CRAZY!!
I need HELP,
Matty

Hi Matt,
Welcome to the Forum!
From what you say;
it seems that those tracks have Pan automation.
Let's check it out:
Select the track and press A (it should open automation for you)
also you must have a (green button displaying) Read, by default it may have volume
select (yellow) change it to Pan, if there is a green line with + or - values, there's
your "problem", center is 0 make it all the way across the track.
You can also stop logic reading the automation by turning the Read (on track to Off).
If it's solved by now, that could be caused by touching a slider on your keyboard, that
have write the automation or by accident you clicked on that track with the automation Pan on
and it read that info (always on the same spot). If in both situations when you copy it, the automation goes to the targeting track too, displaying a warning saying this, if copy,
unless you have previous unselected the "show this message again" .
Less hope this is simple as that.
Give us some more input about it
Peace,
Jorge

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act as a low pass filter, and so forth. So, maybe, over time, I might
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simple solutions (though I am always happy to hear about
advanced solutions which I may implement at a later date).
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I am impressed with the results! Wow!
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I tried to do some research and it looks like you need to have an external device and its drivers, such as an external microphone, installed on the computer to record audio that can be saved as a sound file. Another Suggestion is to try an auxiliary spliter for your headphones and external speakers?
What software are you using to record your game?
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Thank you for being a part of the Lenovo Family,
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