Sub bullets

Just wondering if there is a standard to use for sub-bullets in professionally designed documents (such as brochures).
Hollow bullets are standard for non-pro documents, such as reports, but I have never seen them used in pro pieces designed for public.
Usually I try to rework the text to avoid sub-bullets altogether, or do not put anything in front of them, but have a case now where it looks unavoidable.
Anyone have any insight into this?

If I'm designing, I usually use em dashes underneath bullets. Sometimes
I use square bullets with diamonds for sublists. I've used fingers,
arrowheads, stars, checks. I just finished a book where the author
insisted on ellipses instead of bullets.
Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

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MY MAIN QUESTION:
Prior to Pages 5, I had a template than included a green bullet (with black in the text) with a sub-indented bullet that was blue. Now, in Pages 5.2 (Mavericks) I find it very hard to recreate this using styles and/or lists. Whenever I change the color of the sub-bullet, it changes the color of the main bullet. Any thoughts on this?
SECONDARILY
The list and styles functions in Pages 5.2 are somewhat complicated. I wish there were some sort of tutorial on the best way to use these. I like the ability to tab to the next bullet indent, but not sure how to set the various styles for the indent. Are lists independent of styles? Or are they connected. Not sure.

Nah... I don't believe in hanging on to outdated software, even if it is superior in some ways or if I'm just used to it. I'd rather learn how to use the newer version to my advantage and deal with the shortcomings. It is a losing battle to try to "stick it out" with the older software, especially if you want to update your OS and take advantage of it. Eventually, it won't work and you limit yourself by sticking to the old software. I DO believe in complaining and submitting feedback to the developer to let them know stuff is not up to snuff. But, I'll say, any new software has a learning curve and a degree of adaptation required if you are not used to using it. When I went from Word to Pages back in 2008 or 2009, I lost a lot of functionality, but I learned to deal with it and ended up appreciating Pages versus Word. For the most part, the transition to the new Pages, hasn't been that bad... there have been a few things I've had to change and adapt to, but I do like the new Pages in many ways. The bullet point thing is annoying though and I'd like to figure out a decent solution, but it does not make me regret using Pages 5 on the whole. Plus, I have multiple employees, and would like us all to be using the same software.
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Copying sub-bulleted list _and_ keeping the master format

Super basic question: how to make sub-bulleted lists formatted nicely?
It's a follow up of the above topic. When I copy paste a full slide, it loses the property that sub-lists (pressing tab) come with smaller bullets. I can of course re-apply master, but then all my changes to the text (e.g. colored or bolded text) goes back do the default font. This is really annoying, it means that I cannot copy-paste slides from one presentation to another

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Your installation is faulty, try Resetting Keynote perform all the steps in the correct order
remove Keynote version 6.5, you must use an application removal tool for this procedure to work: Appcleaner is free, I use Appzapper
empty the trash
Shut Down the Mac (Apple menu > Shut Down)
wait 10 seconds, then press the power button
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restart the Mac normally, (don’t hold down any keys during startup)
install Keynote from the Mac App Store

Sub-bulleting and Customising Master Slides on iPad 2

Hi, i got my ipad2 just a few weeks ago and i'm still figuring out how to do basic things like adding sub-bullets and changing master slides in Keynote. I know this can be done easily on Mac OS X, but I only have this iPad running iOS.
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Try this. Delete the account and restart the iPad.
Once it has restarted set it up again
Go to your iPad home screen and tap Settings.
Scroll down to Mail, Contacts, Calendars.
Tap Add Account.
Scroll down and tap Other.
Tap Add Mail Account.
Put the name you want people to see when they get mail from you in the Name field.
Enter your username in the Address field. For example, [email protected]
Enter your password in the Password field.
In the Description field enter the name you want to use to identify the account.
Tap Next. If you get an error message at this point, tap OK.
Make sure that IMAP is selected at the top of the screen.
In the Incoming Mail Server section, change the Host Name to mail.btinternet.com
Now enter 993 in the Server port and set SSL to on.
Then scroll down to the Outgoing Mail Server section and change the Host Name to mail.btinternet.com
Now enter 465 in the Server port and set SSL to on.
Tap Save.
Your settings will now be verified and you'll then see your Account screen. If this doesn’t happen automatically tap your account to access your email.

Formatting the text in a cell

Hello Experts,
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I would like to have this format all the way down(only 1 hyphen)
*This is the textin the diocument
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I would like to have this format all the way down(only 1 hyphen)
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Hello Khaled,
Thanks for the response! Yes I have tried to do what you suggested, and it does not look like a bullet list, it has the bullets and subbullets in the document, but they are all positioned far left. I have tried to format by adding spaces, but it does not come out right.
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FM import to RH: lists

Technical Communication Suite, RoboHelp HTML, WebHelp
I'm importing FM8 book into RH7 HTML.
I've done some research and I see that conversion of lists
between FM source files and RH HTML is very problematic. I'm
confused and haven't been able to resolve my particular problem
through research.
My FM bullet parragraph tag looks like:
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Indent Left: 28pt
tab stop: 28pt L
Autonumber format:
\t
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When import to RH, I DO NOT select "Convert AutoNumber to
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• 
The three spaces ( ) indents too
much; two spaces ( ) not enough.
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Manipulating the font size of a single space gets me darn
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pages). And it doesn't work well with numbered lists that go into
double digets.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Stan

If you have simple bullets and steps,
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with sub bullets)
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headings that follow, preventing topic breaks.
When you look at the HTML code, you can see the problems. The
</UL> (end of list) gets misplaced for the various nested
lists.
"Convert AutoNumber to HTML List" does not work for my
application.
darbyzz,
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bullets.
For second level lists, I use a format that includes an
empty place holder (as advised by Jain).
example: a:< ><a+>.\t
I also use a specific tag to reset a list to number 1 (I
found that was necessary).
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to Source,
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its default state,
is indented just enough for my needs.
This works pretty well for me, not perfectly, but I've
settled.

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</RTF_Field>
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Here is an image of the results on the new Livecycle ES2 (9.0)
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Thanks.

Formatting in an interactive PDF

Hi,
I have a form that has a section that needs to be able to go into auto numbering/sub bullets,etc as needed (like an outline format). Is this possible?
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Help! I'm desperate, imported PPT's are giving me nightmares on export!

Greetings fellow Captivators, it's my first post here. I hate to jump right in and beg for help, but I'm really beside myself here, and am losing ground/time on a major project due to this bug/error/mistake.
First let me explain the project to you:
1. I start by importing a 2007 PPT file, with only simple timings (EX: wait 10 seconds, show bullet, wait 10 seconds, show bullet, etc...) NOTHING FANCY.
2. Then, we had our content expert narrate all of these slides.
3. Inserted throughout the project are FLV's that play on their own slides, no problems here.
When I go to export, things work fine, everything exports and I can load the whole project up onto our FTP server (eventually it will live in a Moodle install...)
BUT
Many of the narrated slides have strange behavior on the LAST TIMING of the slide, the are erratic, they don't always finish their animation, or they pause, and you have to hit play to move the last animation the final few pixels...
This causes horrible UI problems, the narration is still playing in the background, but the bullet get stuck, and the user has no idea what to do, when they narration DOES finish, the slide doesn't advance because its "stuck", they then have to push a combination of play and next to advance the slide, total disaster.
The problem is inconsistant, and happens slightly different each time, but it's serious issue and my client is obviously frustrated as well.
Does anyone have experience with problematic timing on timed elements on imported slides?
Is the slide trying to pause until the narratation is finished?
Are there specific export settings that could be causing this?
You can see the problem here:
http://greatseminarsonline.com/falling/
On the FOURTH slide in, titled "Prep For Visit" the last bullet, titled "Explore" should 3 have sub-bullets that load....
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Hi there
Have you noticed if there is a pattern? For example, where things get "stuck", is it always a slide with an FLV?
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Certain texts of a document vanished and is untraceable, ie no earlier versions available despite haviing autosave enabled?

I created a basic plan for my dissertation which was sent to my lecturer who added comments as is possible.
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etc perfectly well no problems.
On opening the document 2 days ago it has all vanished?! All my additions are gone and only the original bare document with my lecturers notes remain? This seems impossible to me, as in order for me to do this myself I would have had to have
copied and deleted multiple times so as to not remove these remaining "headings"?
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How can I allow reader to progressively reveal levels of a list?

If I create a document with a list with multiple levels, e.g.:
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1.1 subordinate category
1.1.1 even more subordinate
1.1.2 another even more subordinate
1.2 a second subordinate
1.2.1 more subordinate to second subordinate
1.2.2 you get the picture
2. do this all over again
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Odd scenario where type inference doesn't work

I've come across an odd scenario where type inference doesn't work and instead I'm greeted with a message:
incompatible types
found : java.lang.Object
required: java.util.Set
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public class GenericTest {
 public static void test() {
 Set testList = GenericTest.method1(new Class[] { ArrayList.class });
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 public static void test() {
 Set testList = GenericTest.method1(new Class[] { ArrayList.class });
 public static I method1(Class[] params) {
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ilmaestro wrote:
Though casting the parameter as you mentioned resolves the error (because it eliminates the generic), it still doesn't explain why changes to the parameter effect an error message having to do with the return type.It is due the call to the method with the "erased" type Class[] (not a Class<?>[], for example) and a return type resolution. Unchecked conversion (from the raw type to the parametrized type) is applied to the method argument and the return type of the method is determined as an erasure of the declared return type (JLS 3rd edition, [Method Result and Throws Types|http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/expressions.html#15.12.2.6], first bullet, second sub-bullet). Erasure of the return type is a java.lang.Object, which is incompatible with the java.util.Set.
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If the method is called with a non-raw type, then return types are inferred correclty. For example, following code compiles fine.
public class GenericTest {
public static void test() {
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public static I method1(Class<List>[] params) {
 return null;
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Character for subbullets

Just wondering if there is a standard to use for sub-bullets in professionally designed documents (such as brochures).
Hollow bullets are standard for non-pro documents, such as reports, but I have never seen them used in pro pieces designed for public.
Usually I try to rework the text to avoid sub-bullets altogether, or do not put anything in front of them, but have a case now where it looks unavoidable.
Anyone have any insight into this?

> I don't like mixing numbered items and with bulleted items.
My rule is that you use numbers when things have to happen in that order, and bullets when it doesn't matter. So steps in changing a transmission would be numbered, but a list of parts in one of the steps could be bulleted.
I prefer the en bullet, although many professional designers prefer smaller, as small as a centered period. (Never, ever use an em bullet, which makes it look like someone attacked your page with a .45 magnum).

BI Publisher -RTF Template issue: Output report not maintaining text with bullets and numberings.

Hi All,
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For example if the data in the DB Field is like below:
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Any help on the same is much appreciated.
Deep Bhoj

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Add a bullet correctly below the text in the previous line.

Hi All,
I know how to add bullets in a word doc, but I dont know how to set the range.listformat.leftindent property to match this particular reuirement i.e
1.1.1. some text
(add a bullet below s in some)
normal text
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Hi Apoorva,
I'm not quite sure what your uiquirement is, seems that you want to insert a sub-level bullet below the previous paragraph. You can use this method to create a sub-level bullet in the word document.
Range.ListFormat.ListIndent
For example:
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para.Range.InsertBefore("test1");
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