Subcontracting challan reverse since 180 days passed

HI
Error is Cannot reconcile crossed return date,please reverse
Scenario is such
Material is received MIGO is done after process now they want to create J1IFQ here the problem exists ,
kindly help how to sort out the problem.

Reverse the excise duties in J1IF13.
Then do the reconciliation in J1IFQ
After that recredit the excise duties & complete the challan in J1IF1
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Maintain the accounts for Excise TT-57N
Regards,
SATPAL

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Sub con Duty reversal afer 180 days

Hi,
We have to cancel the duties in case of time elapsed ( more then 180 days)
Step 1 J1if13 reversed the challan now status showing as reversed
step 2 How to reverse the moment if reversed challan duties will reversed or need to pass JV
step 3 If material expecting to receipt in that case how to take credit agian
J1if13 Recredit optin will allow to take the credit again or seperately in need to take credit if it is yest from which t code
and after taking recredit system will once agin will open the challan for another 180 days or how to see the date due for reversal.
Pl explain indetails if possible attach screen shots would be great help
Regards

Hi,
hi
1. Raw materials are sent to the subcontractor for processing into finish goods through subcontracting challan and in that no excise duty is debit to the excise and this challan includes only approximate value of goods.
2. The subcontractor needs to send back the material within 180 days of receiving the material into subcontractor premises, in case if he fails to send the material within 180 days then the company needs to debit the CENVAT duty, the process as -
If the allotted number of days elapses and the subcontractor has not returned some or any of the materials in the challan (status: Posted or Assigned), you must reverse the excise duty that you have credited to your CENVAT account. The scrap has to be returned by the subcontractor. If it is not returned, the excise duty for the scrap has to be reversed.
This function sets the status to Reversed. From here, you have two options:
u2022 If you do note expect the subcontractor to return the materials, you can complete it.
Complete
1.From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Logistics u2192 Procurement u2192 Subcontracting u2192 Subcontracting Challan u2192 Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
2. Enter the challan number and year.
3. Choose .
4. Select Complete challan.
5. Save the challan.
u2022 If you do expect the subcontractor to return at least some of the materials, you can leave it as it is for the time being. Then, when the materials arrive, you can recredit the excise duty to the account .
Recredit
If a subcontractor returns materials after the return date, you can recredit the excise duty credit that you have reversed.
Recrediting the CENVAT Account
1. From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Logistics u2192 Procurement u2192 Subcontracting u2192
Subcontracting Challan u2192 Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
2. Enter the challan number and year.
3. Choose.
4. Select either of the following options:
u2212 Take recredit for receipts
This leaves the challan open for further goods receipts.
u2212 Take recredits if any and completes challan
This completes the challan and writes off finally any CENVAT credit that you might have been able to claim.
5. Save the challan.
Regards,
Pardeep Malik

Challan reconciliation after 180 days.

Hi all,
I have been using subcontracting process as an alternative for returnable gate pass. Where in we are sending material by 541, doing chalan against that document & then taking material back by 542 & reconcile chalan against document of 542. But in one case it crossed 180 days limit, and now system giving msg as can't reconcile as return date crossed.
Now my question is can I follow the normal process i.e. cancel the chalan with J1IF13, then reconcile the chalan.
Whether this will have any effect on excise accounting? Please brief me about the effect.
Thanks & regards,
Sarang

Thanks Jafar,
Actually we are not doing subcontracting process, we are sending material for repairing purpose for which we configured RGP process through subcontracting process. Here we are not using any Subcontracting PO. Only we are sending material by 541 movt & printing RGP (as 57F4 where in its heading is mentioned as RGP) & getting material back by 542.. So now tell me if I follow the path i.e.
1) Reverse the challan (J1IF13)
2) then 542 (as we do)
3) then J1IFQ
So will it cause any impact on my excise tables. Also in which fiscal year it should cause. That cahllan is of Jan 2011 (fiscal year 2010)
Regards,

Challan Reconcilation after 180 days.

Hi all,
How to Reconcile the material document with Challans
what is the process if the challan is not completed within 180 days.
case -01 FG material document is posted after 180 days completion after making the challan.
case-02 FG material document is posted within 180 days but challan is not reconciled (or) not Completed, Can it be reconciled after 180 days completion.
With Rgds,
Krishna

Hi Piyush,
whether the challan is tobe reconciled even after Reversing or what?
I have one more query ,
One of my user in MIGO for a particular material document have un-checked the components @ the time of receipt of a particular FG item. where as for the remaining FG parts - components exist within a material document.
but my problem is system is not allowing me to reconcile the remaining component , it is throwing warning message for the FG material for which components are not consumed.
With Rgds,
Krishna.

Y the subcontracting should be within 180 days ?

hii experts
Can some body explain me ,
1.the subcontracting must happen within the duration of 180 days.
Any particular reason fo this ..??????
Then If excisable material mean what is the process, because we are not going to do the excise duties.
2.As normal material only we are going to proceed the excisable material also in Subcontracting .??
Then what is the major difference ??
Explain me both questions.
Thanks

legally every excisable material should go with either excise invoice or subcontraction challan
so in the case of subcontracting we are sending our material to vendor and geting some work done on it and get back the material.
so accorndong to excise law the material that we have send to subcontractor we should get it back with in 180 days.
when we send our materia to subcontractor on subcont challan there is no excise duty transfer
only we need to track the material subcontracting challan wise how much and when the material goan to subcontract and how much and when did that material came back
this report is called Anexture IV and we get this report in J1IFR
If the material is not returned with in 180 days then the excise duty credit for that material have to be receivsed.
If the material is not excisabel u dont need to creat any subcontracting challan so no need of traking 180 day.
hope this is clear

EXCISE SUBCONTRACTING CHALLAN REVERSAL

Hi!
we are using TAXINN in ECC5.0. we are creating subcontracting challan after maintianing assessable value and excise rates 16% BED, 2% ECS and 1% SEC ECS for the chapter id. When we are trying to reverse the subcontracting challan, the duty values are not calculated in the challan. we have also maintained excise indicator for the vendor and also excise details.
Can anybody help us out?
Thanking you in advance
Ganesh

Hi,
against which document you are reversing it 541 0r 542 material document check following link
[Subcontract Challan;
[http://help.sap.com/saphelp_470/helpdata/ru/1c/d6a1d82b5611d4ae1700105a16d13d/content.htm]
Regards
kailas Ugale

Subcontracting challan reversal(partialy)

Hello,
We are created the Subcontracting PO with Two components,
Subcontrcating PO is create . And material is issued to vendor through MB1B.(material Doc is generated).
With ref to Material doc number i have created the Subcontracting challan for this .....
Now i want to Reduce the Challan qty from challan... how to reduce the challan qty from the Challan number.
regards
sapman man

Hi,
The challan quantity can not be changed after creating the challan. You can however reverse & complete the challan & create new challan for the required quantity.
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Prashant

Subcontracting challan reversal

Hi friends,
When I am reversing (and later taking recredit) the subcon challan (57F4), no accounting doc is generated /
Where may be the fault ? As far as I understand, the cenvat credit should be reversed here.
Reward confirmed...

Hi,
This can not be done through regular transaction J1IF13. You will have to go to programming (may be with help of ABAPer), change the due date to current date & reverse the challan.
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Prashant Kolhatkar
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Subcon 180 days over

]Subcon status assigned and reconclied 50 Qty and pening is 200 QTy.
Now 180 days passed . How to proceed ?
What are all the accounting entry ?
Which GL registers will Hit ?
kindly help

Check all this links,
After 180 days in subcontracting ??
Subcontracting regularization after 180 days
Re: Subcontracing issue - after 180 days ??
Re: Sub con Duty reversal afer 180 days
Closing of 57F4 Challan or Making GR after 180 Days

Suncontracting period exceeded 180 days

what is the procedure to be followed if the material sent for subcontracting not recieved before 180 days.
& what needs to be done if material recieved after 180 days.
thnks & regards
Madhu

Check this sap help link for material not returned after 180 days
Completion, Reversal, and Recredit
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/09/ebf138cdd78a4be10000000a114084/frameset.htm

Subcontracting Challan Completed before GR and 180 days

hI
This is with reference to the subcontracting issue
While receiving subcontracting material we have found the problem that while referring the subcontracting annexure no. at MIGO the message was shown as u201Creconciliation already completedu201D after checking we have found that may 2008 the challan was completed.
we need to close or reverse the challans to the actual position.
Without doing Goods receipt and before 180 days if challan is completed, how it is possible then what is the solution to do GR
Regards
Kedar

Hi,
First check the Challan (in transaction J1IF13) & check the material documents to which the challan has been reconcilled.
1) If any of these document assignment is wrong, then go to transaction J1IFQ (Reconcile challan). Enter the material document wrongly assigned & the challan number. Click on button Delete Assignment. Then you can reconcile the the challan to material document.
2) If these documents are correct, then check the correct Challan number to which the material document is to be reconcilled.
3) If the challan is not available, then possibly, you have not posted the challan when you transferred the material to the cub-contractor. In this case no need to assigne any challan to the material document.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Prashant

Subcontract challans after 180 days

Hi All,
Can some one tell me the process, what we need to do if the Subcontractor does not return our components within 180 days?
Please give the details step by step.
Regards,
Sattuj

hi,
what exactly the excise says ______
1) if vendor fails to return material which is excisable then u have to pay excise which u have not done earlier.due to provision of 57f4 challan.
now how u r doing that_____
1 u have to scrap the material which is at vendors end actualy it is ur property
2 u have to create an excise invoice thro J1IS trasaction that means u are selling material to vendor
3 because of this ur cenvat clearing account gets affected means nullifies with cenvat payable.
4 again u have to pay excise duty for scrap generated.
thats all,
reward if useful
sujit

Subcontracting regularization after 180 days

Dear Sir,
We have a scenario where we had sent a material for outside processing using SUBCONTRACTING PRCEDURE .
We had done the following activities :
   a) Created a Subcontract Purchase Order
   b) Transfer the required Material to Vendor Stock
   c) Generated a Subcontract Challan
Since from challan date , 180 days have been elapsed . After 180 days , now we have received the Processed Material from Vendor .
SAP System is not allowing now GR as 180 days have been elapsed .
Kindly guide us as what steps need to be performed , so that GR and Challan regulrization can be exercised .
Rgds
Sonia Agarwal

Hello,
If the allotted number of days elapses and the subcontractor has not returned some or any of the materials in the challan (status: Posted or Assigned), you must reverse the excise duty that you have credited to your CENVAT account.
If a subcontractor returns materials after the return date, you can recredit the excise duty credit that you have reversed.
Completing Subcontracting Challans :
1. From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Indirect Taxes - Procurement - Subcontracting - Subcontracting Challans - Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
2. Enter the challan number and year.
3. Choose This graphic is explained in the accompanying text.
4. Select Complete Challan.
5. Save the challan.
The Excise transaction type for subcontracting challan is 57NR. The G/L accounts has to be assigned to the transaction type and excise group combination is SPRO-LO Gen - Tax on goods movement
Regards

Reversal of the subcontracting Challan

I have the following doubts:
1) Does the system automatically debits the modvat accounts in case the material is not sent by the subcontractor within 180 days. Do I need to enter the amounts in "Utilization Tab"? In the subcontracting challan the duties are shown as calculated on the posting data tab. In the utilization tab the entry for
RG23A BED
RG23A SED
RG23A AED
RG23A NCD
is editable.
The header is like this
Balance for utilization          Modvat Debit
RG23A BED                  0.00
RG23A SED                  0.00
RG23A AED                  0.00                         Total
PLA   BED                  0.00                   0.00 BED                    0.00
PLA   SED                  0.00                   0.00 AED                    0.00
PLA   AED                  0.00                   0.00 SED                    0.00
RG23A NCD                  0.00                         NCCD                   0.00
Do I need to enter the values in the utilization tab to debit the modvat accounts or it will be debited as per the entries in "Posting Tab"
2) When does the report J1IFR shows the challan under "Recredit Due" ?
Please help for these 2 questions I have gone through the other posts related to this topic but unable to understand the transactions for reversal/ recredit

Hi,
1) Does the system automatically debits the modvat accounts in case the material is not sent by the subcontractor within 180 days. Do I need to enter the amounts in "Utilization Tab"? In the subcontracting challan the duties are shown as calculated on the posting data tab. In the utilization tab the entry for
If you send exciable material to subcontractor vendor and you not get your material in 180 days then what happen check following
1) why 180 days first because as per Indian law your excise invoice valid for 180 days to take credit after that you can not take credit
2) when 180 days complete ,then it consider as you sale your material to vendor and you have to create sale invoice along with excise invoice and send to vendor ,system will not do automatically.
3) while doing utilization you can not edit sales value or MM value also ,once outgoing excise invoice d yo subcontractor it will come automatically in utilization.
Regards
Kailas Ugale

After 180 days in subcontracting ??

hi
How we can do the subcontracting cycles after 180 days with excisable materials .
For example , i have sent 100 no's to subcontractor , i have received 50 no's before 180 days .
Balance 50 no's how i can receive from subcontractor ??
Thanks
SAP-MM

HI,
The materials have not been returned to you within a given length of time specified by the law( 180 days), you will have to reverse any excise credit that you posted when you purchased the materials . In the case of materials that you have manufactured in-house, you will have to post credit entries to the extent of the CENVAT rate of the assessable value of the materials.
Process:
Reverse the excise duties in J1IF13.(This transaction is basically used to complete the challan if you have reconciled as stated above step. There may be cases subcontractor may not able to supply within stipulated 180 days limit then in this case also same transaction is used for reversal of challan or re-crediting the amount.)
Do the reconciliation in J1IFQ
After recredit the excise duties, complete the challan in J1IF13
Regards
KK

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