Crop Marks, when applied, do not measure up

Illustrator CS6
Say I have a dieline that measure 8.0" x 10.0". When I apply crop marks to this dieline and measure the horizontal width of the crop mark on one side to the crop mark on the other side it gives me a width of 8.0042". Does anyone know why it does this? If I measure the vertical crop marks it gives me 10.0042". It's not a huge amount but when you're dealing with dieline packaging and your dieline says 8.0" and the crop marks are 8.0042" apart it affects the placement of other marks such as bleed, seals, folds, glue panels, etc. Thanks for any help!

When you removed the stroke you should have seen your crop marks (which is a live effect) move, unless you already expanded appearance.
Click on the image below to view at 100%. Both squares are 2 inch(becasue I have use preview bounds turned off in preferences), except the first square on has a black stroke, and the crop marks are to the outer edge of the stroke.

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D

That was probably the most expeditious reply I've ever received in a forum.
Anyhow, the crop marks are not part of the actual EPS image. Opening the EPS file in PS or AI reveals no stray crop marks so, unless the marks are somehow part of the EPS settings rather than a visible element of the image, I think it has something to do with INDD and its settings. To confirm, I did place this EPS in another INDD document and an export procedure utilizing the same steps does not reproduce the crop marks.

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I've just started using Illustrator CS4 and I'm trying to apply crop marks to a selection. The selection is made up of a mask, where an ellipse is making a larger shape. When I apply the crop command, it's placing the crop marks at the edges of the larger masked object instead of the ellipse.
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Just take care not to have a stroke on the object you're using to create your crop marks from.
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8.5 x 11 acrobat file.
There is no scaling.
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This dimension changes depending on what STYLE of crop marks are selected in the ADVANCED section of the print dialog box.
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I think whoever is generating the files is exporting or printing to pdf with a 1" oversize page setup. 8.5x11=9.5x12
Then someone else is cropping the file. How is the cropping done? We don't know. Using acrobat's crop tool? Using Pit Stop's crop tool? Another third party plug-in?
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Now the problem is if I set the document boxes to zero as I mentioned, the order entry people have the same but opposite problem. Inaccurate marks 1" LARGER than they are supposed to be.
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That didn't work for me. In fact, the only way I could get it correctly was to enlarge my artwork to extend over the artboard and then when saving as PDF to tick the printer trim marks boxes. Not as easy or straightforward as with a crop mark, but it seems to be working now.
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And you've double-checked your color settings (not just the overall preset but the individual options)?
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Apologies if anyone has posted this elsewhere - I checked the Help, FAQ, Forums and Googled it - but I really can't find a solution to this minor problem I'm having.
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Hi
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Text_by_Points_on_XY_Graph[1].vi ‏32 KB

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