AMD Athlon and VIA KT333 seems to SUCK!

Has anyone gotten an Athlon Xp and VIA KT 333 to work 100% reliable yet?
I can't, unless I run my FSB at 100Mhz instead of 133Mhz.
I am on my second motherboard and second stick of pc2700 ram.
Here are my stats.
Athlon XP 2200+
MSI KT3 Ultra2     and     ECS K7VTA3 v3.1
Crucial Tech PC 2700 Ram with Micron Chips.  (First 2700 that I sent back was Samsung)
400 Watt PS
VisionTek Geforce3 64mb
2 Intel NICs
Cooler Master CPU Fan - DP5-6J31C-A1
I have found that 133Mhz is just totaly unstable.  If I run at 133 I get random freezes and or reboots.  I will sometimes crash to desktop as well.
I have heard that there is some issue with VIA and Nvidia and AGP 4x.  To bypass this I have manually set my AGP to 2x in BIOS.
I have also heard that there is an issue with the VIA drivers and that you should use the slower ones that come with XP.  I tried this and it doesn't help, and the VIA drivers cause no problems at 100Mhz.
I have tried things like running my DDR 333 memory at DDR 266 instead and that doesn't help the stablity at 133Mhz.
I have also taken out everything except an HD, VideoCard, and 1 CDRom to try to limit the wattage I am drawing and that doesent help.  I also did the reverse to see if I was boderline by running 2 HD's,2 CD's, 1 Internal Zip, 1 Floppy, 3 PCI cards, and 1 AGP Video card. With all this in I get the same results.
My CPU temps run from 53 to 60 degrees c.
Besides my PSU fan and the CoolerMaster CPU fan I am running 2 80mm case fans.  1 in the front bringing air in to cool HD.  1 in the back exhausting hot air.  I also have an 80mm system exhaust card mounted next to my GeForce to exhaust any hotair it is generating.
I have been fighting this stupid system for over a month now.  Can anyone HELP!  I just want to be able to play NWN stablely.
Thanks
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When I bought this system over a month ago a friend at work ordered the same Motherboard and Proc.
He has had the exact same issues, all though he thinks he is stable now.  He doesn't really tax his board like I do so it's hard to say for sure.
We have basiclly tried swapping out all our parts with each others with no luck.  
He is on his second memory stick and gave up on his ECS K7VTA3 board and got an ASUS board that is KT333.  I can't remember which.  The ASUS board was even worse how ever.  It would reboot in about 15 seconds regularly.  He has since sent that back for another but claims is second ECS K7VTA3 v3.1 is now stable.  Again he doesn't really tax it however.
We are not newbies to this stuff.  We work in the field and have been doing this sort of stuff for years.  We have never seen anything like this however.
So again..I have tried multiple boards..memory..procs..videocards...HDs ...OS's....Bios Settings.
If any one out there is scurrently running an MSI KT3 Ultra2 with an XP 2200+ I would be interested in knowing alot of info.
Bios settings
Driver versions
OS versions and SP level.
Thanks.

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    Found here:
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    AMI® BIOS      File Size
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    AMI® BIOS      File Sizes
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    Version
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      Cut to sound track: Down on the BIOS again,,, wasn’t that Creedance Clear Water Revival?
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    Welcome, and thank you for a thorough input! Hope I don't miss something you already said!
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    Quote
    http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/knowledge_base/
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        * File system problems
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    Quote
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082
    You receive a Stop 0x0000007B error after you move the Windows XP system disk to another computer
    SYMPTOMS
    After you move the Microsoft Windows XP system (boot) disk to a backup computer, you may receive the following Stop error when you try to start the Windows XP-based backup computer:
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    Heh, heh! Very nice Microsoft, but I plan to update my computer, so I NEED to use different components
    Quote
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324103
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    Quote
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316401/
    SYMPTOMS
    When you start your Microsoft Windows XP-based computer after you replace the motherboard on the computer, you may receive a Stop error message that is similar to the following:
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    CAUSE
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    Alright I got the situation over.
    Quote from: Roskaposti on 19-May-07, 04:44:59
    My plans next are:
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    2) to disable USB-devices in the BIOS (desperate),
    3) to choose the Windows general video display driver (although I seriously doubt this is a display driver problem!).
    4) to uninstall the Anti-Virus software (Avira Antivir).
    I did try all all the above, and none of them helped.
    And by the way: after installing the new Hyperion (VIA chipset drivers), I was finally able to also uninstall. It also uninstalled the IDE SATA (I think) and PATA drivers.
    But what I had to do, was to make a REPAIR installation of Windows XP.
    So, I was wondering now afterwards: this is really, really silly. Why the hell we need to re-install Windows if we move the SYSTEM SATA drive to another computer? We don't have similar problem with parallel IDE drives. Whom should we thank here??
    The issue is to insert the driver files and the information of the ide drivers Windows should use with the next boot. How can it be this difficult?
    What you basically need is..
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    - and the vendor's IDE drivers to the %SYSTEMROOT%/System32/drivers folder.
    Maybe something else, I don't know. But the problem was, Windows didn't know how, or what drivers to use. That can't be so big problem you need to install the whole OS anew!

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