Cloning = Defrag...? How?

Hi all,
A day of idle curiosity, apparently, and I was just wondering...
I have read here that cloning to an external, wiping the original and re-cloning back effectively defragments 'everything'. How does this work? To my way of thinking a clone is a clone is a clone, fragmentation and all.
How is it that DU, CCC or other back-up utilities 'know' to put that bit with this bit (or byte ) in the back-up so that the end result is more contiguous (if that is the right word) than the original?
Anyone care to elaborate, elucidate or otherwise educate?
I've no doubt that this may get a bit technical, I promise I'll try and keep up
Adrian

If someone creates and edits (i.e. modifies and re-saves) files *larger than 20 MB* (yes, MB), such as when working on videos, that need to be accessed with maximum speed then fragmentation can be an important issue. For the rest of us... well, instead of me rambling on, a 'Google' will give you masses to read about "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering" and related matters. As you say, there is a large disparity of views, but because many of the views reflect lack of knowledge, some reflect an ulterior motive, a prejudice or a 'gut feeling' or a 'feel-good factor', and some reflect experience of platforms other than OS X and HFS+, I strongly recommend that you start by reading what Apple themselves say, e.g. in
    this short document.
I suspect that reading that might well make you decide to forget 'defragging' for ever ( ). If you want more info there is
    a huge Apple Tech Note here
but you might only need to see a small section, "Hot Files", near the end to get a sense of what is constantly going on in the background as you use your Mac.
Many thanks for your kind thanks!
Andreas

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    Huffer: To amberdidi I use Avast or AVG on Vista 64 bit systems and either works well. I have only used NOD32 on 32 bit systems. The NOD32 website will answer this question definitively.
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    Sanchertx: To amberdidi Yes, update the BIOS.
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    bjm: Need to know if I should update my BIOS
    Huffer: To bjm The update will work, but I really need to know what your problem is to assess whether the BIOS update is necessary.
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    Sanchertx: To mlk3742 Hardware wise you can get a faster hard drive - example move from a 5400 rpm to 7200 RPM - Also make sure you have the latest BIOS update. These usually have maintenance modifications to resolve potential problems and tweak the hardware.mlk3742: to Sanchertx: How and or where do I get a BIOS upgrade? Do you have a recommendation for which hard drive to get? Will any aftermarket drive fit in my laptop?
    Sanchertx: To mlk3742 Hello – this document Locating HP Software, Driver and BIOS Updates should help http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00042629&tmp_track_link=ot_faqs/top_issues/en_u... I cannot recommend a 3rd party - aftermarket drive - but there are many available. A good place to look is notebookforum.com.
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    DexterM: What tweaks do you guys usually do on your Windows PC's to ensure optimal PC performance?
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    rdewing: My PC is about a year old and it is getting slower and slower. Do I have a virus? Is there something that I can do to make run faster?
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    scribblesteve: I'm having a graphics problem where I cannot see images. I have only seen it with the HP Help and Support and the Installation of Adobe Web Premium Installation. I have no Idea how to fix this, and neither does anyone in the multiple Support Forums I've posted the problem in. Here are some screenshots: http://www.stevedolan.com/shared/graphicsproblem.jpg  | http://www.stevedolan.com/shared/graphicsproblem2.jpg
    Bryan_N: To scribblesteve This one looks like something I cannot answer before the event terminates. Can you start a thread on this on the customer forums here and we can continue? If you already have, can you send me the link and I can subscribe to it?
    scribblesteve: Bryan_N: Here is that link: http://h30434.www3.hp.com/psg/board/message?board.id=Display&message.id=1715#M1715
    Bryan_N: To scribblesteve Thanks scribblesteve
    SiobhanF-HP: We are nearing the end of our chat session. We only have time for 3 more questions. If we did not get to your question, please post it on the Notebook and Desktop boards.
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    Mister_Do: To jest1 The first two things I would consider doing would be to 1) add more memory to your PC (unless you already have max memory), and 2) I would change my Startup program and process settings. Here are a few HP Support documents that explain how to prevent unnecessary programs from running at startup: For Vista: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00813419 For Vista: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00819747&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en For XP: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07149&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en
    SiobhanF-HP: We only have time for one more question. If we did not get to your question, please post it on the Notebook or Desktop boards.
    jest1: I think I have a notebook battery that was part of a recent recall, what do I do about this?
    Mister_Do: To jest1 Visit the HP Notebook PC Battery Pack Replacement Program Web site at: http://www.hp.com/support/BatteryReplacement for additional information and to determine if your battery is part of the program.
    jest1: How can I find out the maximum amount of memory my system can accept?
    Mister_Do: To jest1 HP has product specifications for your PC on its web site. Go to www.HP.com and click on Software Driver and enter your exact PC model name. You must give the specific model number, ex dv9009nr, and not the series number, ex dv9000. Click on the document that references Product Specifications at the top of the list of articles. You will get a detailed breakdown of your system including microprocessor, graphics card, and the maximum amount of memory you can load onto your PC.
    SiobhanF-HP: We are ending the chat event. Thank you for coming. We hope you found it worthwhile. I will be posting a transcript of the event in announcement section at the top of the Notebook and Desktop boards. Please feel free to continue these conversations on the Forums.
    SiobhanF-HP: We will be hosting future Meet the Experts chat sessions on a variety of topics, so please tell us what you thought of the event and how it could be improved.
    Message Edited by timhsu on 06-02-2009 05:28 PM
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